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I have attached a list of the MM casualties from this vessel - I have been investigating the possibility that many of the bodies were returned home for burial due to the circumstances of their death - the Asturias was badly damaged by enemy action. All bar one of the medical staff on board have known graves; all of the non Southampton crew have known graves so I have contacted Southampton City Council to check the possiblility of burial there. This morning I have had confirmation that some of the crew were buried there. More details to follow when Southampton have collated the info.

Chris

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This has been a very humbling moment for me - 15 of the crew's graves have been found in the Southampton area

Name: ANDERSON, JOHN AITKEN

Initials: J A

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: 6th Engineer

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 26

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Barbara Polson Anderson, of 9, St. Marys' Rd., Southampton, and the late John Aitken Anderson. Born at Edinburgh.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Named on our records as John Anderson

Date of burial: 26/03/1917

Grave: Southampton Old Cemetery, C176 – 277

Also buried in this grave: Barbara Polson Wood

Name: ANDREWS, ARTHUR CHARLES

Initials: A C

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Waiter

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 34

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of William Thomas and Frances Mary Thomas, of 85, Stafford Rd., Freemantle, Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Named on our records as Arthur Andrews

Date of burial: 28/03/1917 (age 36, address 85 Stafford Road)

Grave: Southampton Old Cemetery R112 – 98

Also buried in this grave: Frederick William Andrews

Frances Mary Andrews

William Thomas Andrews

Name: BROWN, ARTHUR EDWARD

Initials: A E

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Trimmer

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 17

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Charles Henry and Caroline Alma Brown, of 9, Cross Court, Cross St., Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Arthur Edward Brown

Date of burial: 28/03/1917

Grave: Hollybrook Cemetery B3 – 12

Name: EARL, JAMES WILLIAM

Initials: J W

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Trimmer

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 26

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Elizabeth Ann Knight (formerly Earl), of 8, Queen St., Southampton, and the late James Earl.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

James William Earl

Date of burial: 28/03/1917 (age 25, address 8 Queen St)

Grave: Southampton Old Cemetery P132 – 64

Also buried in this grave: Kate Katherine Knight

John Charles Knight

Name: GLASSPOOL, EDWIN ALEXANDER

Initials: E A

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Assistant Baker

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 19

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Edwin and Barbara Glasspool, of 83, Bedford Place, Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

This entry seems to be the most likely:

Edwin Glasspool

Date of burial: 29/03/1917 (age 21, address 158 Northumberland Road)

Grave: Southampton Old Cemetery E189 – 83

Also buried in this grave: Mary Jane Glasspool

Name: GREEN, ORLANDO WILLIAM

Initials: O W

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Fireman

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 29

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Orlando Green and the late Mrs. Green; husband of Daisy Green (nee Meager), of 29, Duke St., Southampton, Born at Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

His name on our records is William Orlando Green and his age is given as 28 years, but this seems to be the correct person as the address is 29 Duke St

Date of burial: 26/03/1917

Grave: Southampton Old Cemetery B169 – 44

Also buried in this grave: Alice Agatha Green

Orlando Green

Name: HUMBY, ARTHUR EDWARD

Initials: A E

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Fireman

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 32

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of John Henry and Catherine Eliza Humby; husband of Florence Lydia Humby (nee Johnson), of 48, Bullar St., Southampton. Born at Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Arthur Edward Humby

Date of burial: 29/03/1917 (age 31, address 48 Bullar St)

Grave: Southampton Old Cemetery C177 – 200

Also buried in this grave: Florence Lydia Dickens

Name: KIMBER, HERBERT GEORGE

Initials: H G

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Assistant Cook

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 26

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Sarah Ann Kimber; husband of Eliza Jane Kimber (nee Baker), of "Homestead," Cobbett Rd., Bitterne Park, Southampton. Born at Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Named on our records as Herbert Kimber

Date of burial: 27/03/1917

Grave: Southampton Old Cemetery F191 -173

Also buried in this grave: Sarah Ann Kimber

Eliza Jane Kimber

Name: KNELLER, ALBERT ISAAC

Initials: A I

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Mate of Hold

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 29

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Albert and Eliza Kneller; husband of Mabel Kneller (nee Cant), of 19, Bellevue St., Southampton. Born at Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Named on our records as Albert Kneller

Date of burial: 27/03/1917

Grave: Hollybrook Cemetery B3 – 75

Also buried in this grave: Mabel Kneller

Name: MUNSON, JAMES GEORGE ALFRED

Initials: J G A

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Waiter

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 36

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of James Ireland Munson and the late Matilda Munson; husband of Edith Munson, of 71, Northbrook Rd., Southampton. Born at Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Cemetery: SOUTHAMPTON OLD CEMETERY

James George Alfred Munson otherwise John

Date of burial: 27/03/1917

Grave: Southampton Old Cemetery B169 – 68

Also buried in this grave: Mary Ann Matilda Munson

Name: ORMAN, VICTOR CHARLES MAFEKING

Initials: V C M

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Boy (Doctor's)

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 18

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Frank and Jessie Matilda Orman, of 3, Laundry Rd., Shirley Warren, Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Named on our records as Victor Orman

Date of burial: 28/03/1917 (age 16, address 3 Laundry Road)

Grave: Southampton Old Cemetery A160 – 54

Also buried in this grave: Walter James Orman

Jessie Matilda Orman

Frank Orman

Name: REEVES, ERNEST HENRY

Initials: E H

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Butcher's Mate

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 25

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Samuel and Matilda Reeves, of 14, Longcroft St., Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Ernest Henry Reeves

Date of burial: 28/03/1917

Grave: Hollybrook Cemetery B3 – 31

Also buried in this grave: Matilda Reeves

Samuel Reeves

Name: ROBINSON, JOHN BERTRAM ERNEST

Initials: J B E

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Assistant Laundryman

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

John Bertram Robinson

Date of burial: 27/03/1917 (Age 44)

Grave: St Mary Extra Cemetery B12 - 42

Also buried in this grave: Edward Robinson

Maria Robinson

Name: TILLYER, JAMES JOHN

Initials: J J

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Able Seaman

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 24

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Charles and Emily Tillyer, of 60, Payne's Rd., Freemantle, Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

James John Tillyer

Date of burial: 29/03/1917 (age 33, address 60 Paynes Road)

Grave: Southampton Old Cemetery C176 - 278

Also buried in this grave: Charles Saunder Tillyer

Emily Matilda Tillyer

Name: WHITE, JOHN ALBERT

Initials: J A

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Third Assistant Cook

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 18

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Charles Henry Jerome White and Florence Francis White, of 9, Floating Bridge Rd., Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

John Albert White

Date of burial: 26/03/1917

Grave: Hollybrook Cemetery B3 - 007

Also buried in this grave: Charles Henry Jerome White

Florence Frances White

May They Rest In Peace

My most sincere thanks to Nina Fairbrother of Southampton City Council

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Top man, Chris !

I know just how much time and effort goes into locating these individuals who are buried in the UK and all credit to you for persevering.

Andy.

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Great work, Chris. Well done!

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Magnificent work.

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Gentlemen

Its not over yet. Finding them in Southampton was a hunch on my part. The RAMC casualties from the this ship are all buried in Torquay so my reckoning is that some of the crew were buried with them. Am also checking the closed churchyards in the Southampton area.

Thanks for all of your kind comments

Chris

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Well done Chris,

Mention of the Asturias made my ears ***** up because one of my War Memorial men was evacuated to England on his way home from Gallipoli via Malta.

JRR Tolkien was also one who was brought home by this ship.

You have made a real difference to the Remembrance and the story of these men.

Excellent.

We will remember them.

Nigel

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an update

I just realised that Waiter James Munson is already listed as being buried at Southampton Old Cemetery - a mistake on my behalf - odd the only one of the Southampton men who died was originally reported as being buried in Southampton

Using Geoffs search engine & not using the date option I have found an additional 9 of the Asturias crew who in the main look as though they died of wounds after the incident

All The Best

Chris

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Geoffs search engine lists a total of 34 names for this ship

3 have known graves

Munson, Paxton & Pitfield

Im having one of those odd feelings - I never found the lost crew of a ship before

Chris

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Well done Chris,we will remember them

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Recieved toady from Dave Jacobs of the Friends of Soutampton Old Cemetery

KIMBER at F 191 173

There is a memorial, and the relevant inscription reads

In Loving Memory

HERBERT GEORGE

THE DEARLY BELOVED HUSBAND OF

ELIZA KIMBER

WHO LOST HIS LIFE ON HMS ASTURIAS

MARCH 21st 1917

AGED 24 YEARS

Yes, it does say HMS rather than HMHS

GLASSPOOL at E 189 83

This plot has no visible stone.

ANDERSON at C 176 277

There is a memorial here, but it is somewhat overgrown, and has also been vandalised. Originally a cross on a substantial plinth, the cross has been detached, and also the plinth has been toppled so that any inscription is hidden.

It is possible that members of Friends of Southampton Old Cemetery may be able to right this later.

TILLYER at C 176 278 ( nowhere near the above by the way, such is the illogical numbering scheme here)

A kerbed grave with a headstone. The relevant inscription is

In Loving Memory Of

JAMES JOHN

THE BELOVED SON

AND ONLY CHILD OF

C AND E TILLYER

WHO LOST HIS LIFE ON

HMHS ASTURIAS

MARCH 21st 1917 AGED 24 YEARS

HUMBY at C 177 200

This plot has no visible stone

GREEN at B 169 44

This plot has no visible stone

MUNSON at C 169 68

A memorial with this inscription

WAITING (in an oval cartouche)

SACRED

TO THE MEMORY

OF

JAMES GEORGE ALFRED

(JIM)

THE DEARLY LOVED HUSBAND OF

EDITH MUNSON

DIED ON ACTIVE SERVICE AT SEA

MARCH 21st 1917 AGED 36

SADLY MISSED

ORMAN at A 160 54

This plot has no visible stone

EARL at P 132 64

This plot has no visible stone

ANDREWS at R 112 98

At first sight this entire area appeared covered in thick brambles, but on inspection luckily there is a clear patch at the back where this memorial could be approached. It was covered in ivy, which we cleared, revealing this inscription on the face of the tombstone

In Affectionate Memory Of

DEAR

LITTLE FREDDIE

THE BELOVED SON OF

W AND F ANDREWS

WHO DIED JULY 24th 1881

AGED 2 YEARS AND 4 MONTHS

Of Such Is The Kingdom Of God

ALSO THEIR BELOVED SON

ARTHUR CHARLES

WHO DIED AT HIS POST ON THE

HOSPITAL SHIP ASTURIAS

MARCH 21st 1917

AGED 36 YEARS

Only Those Who Have Loved And Lost

Know The Meaning Of Gone.

ALSO OF

FRANCES MARY ANDREWS

MOTHER OF THE ABOVE

WHO DIED April 23rd 1929

AGED 77 YEARS

At Rest

AND

WILLIAM THOMAS ANDREWS

WHO DIED FEBRUARY 12th 1939

AGED 86 YEARS

Reunited

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Name: STONE, HAROLD THOMAS

Initials: H T

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Steward

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: S.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 17

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Walter Rufus and Annie Frances Stone, of 6, Middle Rd., Sholing Common, Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

ST MARYS SHOLING section e, row 25 number 1 (plot number 293).

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Another 5 of the graves have been found at Southampton Old Cemetery

Name: CROOK, WILLIAM HENRY

Initials: W H

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Fireman

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 42

Date of Death: 04/04/1917

Additional information: Son of Ellen Crook and the late James Crook; husband of Anne Elizabeth Crook (nee Hope), of 27, Anglesea Terrace, Southampton. Born at Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Name: CROSS, STANLEY HENRY

Initials: S H

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Greaser

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 25

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Henry and Maria Henrietta Adrienne Cross, of 5, Winchester Place, Craven St., Southampton. Born at Landport.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Name: HARVEY, GEORGE BEVIS

Initials: G B

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Engineer (Strkpr.)

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 58

Date of Death: 21/03/1917

Additional information: Son of the late William and Ellen Harvey; husband of Ann Rebecca Harvey (nee Reeves), of 95, Albert Rd., Chapel, Southampton. Born at Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Name: MANGER, CHARLES ROBERT PRIOUX

Initials: C R P

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Trimmer

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 29

Date of Death: 01/04/1917

Additional information: Son of Peter Le Petuil Manger and the late Marie Manger; husband of Fanny Margaret Manger (nee Feeney), of 8, Derby Rd., Southampton. Born at Guernsey.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Name: TUBB, PERCY NEWTON

Initials: P N

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Fireman

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 20

Date of Death: 24/03/1917

Additional information: Son of Mary Ann Tubb, of 22, Marsh Lane, Southampton, and the late Newton Tubb.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

By my reckoning from the information that I received is that there are 34 casualties from the ships crew; 3 have known graves; I have found 20 of the graves; 9 of the crew were reported missing instead of dead

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Name: FLUX, HENRY CHARLES

Initials: H C

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Fireman

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

Age: 31

Date of Death: 18/04/1917

Additional information: Son of the late John James and Ellen Flux; husband of Annie Caroline Flux (nee Joiner), of 2, Stanley Rd., Totton, Southampton. Born at Southampton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Grave Found at Hollybrook Cemetery

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Chris

Reminded me of your efforts this morning ! Looking in a photo album of a lady who attended wounded troops at Southampton Docks in WW1,Miss MJ Tebbutt is seen wearing an "Iron Cross" made from a biscuit tin lid (about 15 inches across) and it says:

"Presented to Colonel Hardy on the ASTURIAS after the successful evasion of a torpedo"

Sotonmate

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As I was recently at Torquay Cemetery doing some research on a couple of the Brookwood lads I thought I would get photos of the RAMC men killed on the Asturias who are buried there.

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Whilst I was the cemetery office a funny thing happened. A couple came in enquring about a CWGC grave & explained that he was the great nephew of an RAMC Seargeant who was killed on a hospital ship. My ears pricked up & I asked if he was from the Asturias. I had just met Seargeant Fletcher's geat nephew.

Chris

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Talk about making the hairs on the back of your neck stand up!

Again, well done Chris,

Nigel

:poppy:

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congratulations Chris

promote yourself from gravefinder general to gravefinder field marshal

cheers Martin B

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Well done that man! You are rather good at this Chris.

What a co-incidence the meeting in the cemetery office! Fate. Some things are meant to be

Caryl

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Wow ! that brought me out in goose bumps. As Caryl says meant to be mate that meeting. Well done. Ralph.

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Hello Chris, great work & keep it up !!

Find here an award for services to RN, one of which is for assisting in salving of ASTURIAS ;

OSBORN Harold N/E Lt. RNVR 85U145 Flying Foam

Vice Admiral Buncrana 11.04.19 Gazetted

Rescue Tugs 01.07.18 - 11.11.18 OBE(M)

He has been in command of Rescue Tug "Flying Foam" at Larne during the last 8 months, during which time he has consistently carried out his work with much zeal and ability, particularly on the following occasiosn :- On the 16th May, 1918, he took S.S. "Tartary" in tow when she was rapidly sinking and after she sank salved some valuable cattle that were on board. On the 19th July, 1918, he was sent to the rescue of the S.S. "Justicia", after she was torpedoed and took her in tow just after she had been missed by a torpedo at 0430 and towed all through the attacks on her during the 20th, until she sank at 1335. One torpedo passed under "Flying Foam" during this service.

On the 1st November, 1918, he assisted in towing disabled Hospital Ship "Asturias" in tow during very heavy weather and towed her safely into Belfast.

Regards Sadsac

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Thanks for that Denis

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Chris, only just come across this thread today, so apologies if this already known to you....

I have 43 using Geoffs....

Are GOSNEY, TH; HALL, CH; HART, JR; LACY, AC; SEABORN, WWG; and TRENERRY, B still missing? I see you have photos of MUIR, A; WENMAN, E; FOLLEY, HJ; and KINGSLAND, F.

I used Asturias and puzzled why you have Fletcher:-

Name: FLETCHER, GEORGE WILLIAM

Initials: G W

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Serjeant

Regiment/Service: Royal Army Medical Corps

Unit Text: H.M.H.S. "Austurias."

Age: 36

Date of Death: between 20/03/1917 and 21/03/1917

Service No: 37339

Additional information: Husband of Ellen Laura Fletcher, of 360, Burnley Lane, Chadderton, Oldham.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: D. 2. 8757.

Cemetery: TORQUAY CEMETERY AND EXTENSION

Spelling error!

I also have one "hit" in Kalkara Naval Cemetery in Malta for

Charles JONES, AB, Mercantile Marine, S.S. Austurian. Died 18th February 1917

Name: JONES

Initials: C

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Able Seaman

Regiment/Service: Mercantile Marine

Unit Text: S.S. Austurian.

Date of Death: 18/02/1917

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Prot. 340.

Cemetery: MALTA (CAPUCCINI) NAVAL CEMETERY

Could he also have been a member of the crew, but died in Malta before Asturia was torpedoed? I can't find any other reference to an SS Austurian.....

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Kevin

unfortunately those lads you named will probably remain missing due to the fact that they were probably lost at sea. The numbers of the crew lost have now been reconcilled & I dont think there are any more graves to be found

Chris

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Can I please ask for your help as you have done so much research already on the Asturias.

We are undertaking a large project to research all the names on our church/school memorials for this years Rememberence Sunday. As part of it I am researching George Robert Jones, Scullion from Highfield, Southampton who died on 21/3/1917 on the Asturias. He does not appear to have been buried in Southampton Old Cemetery and his family's local churchyard where he is on the War Memorial was closed by that date (plus I've documented all the other graves so know he definitely isn't there).

From what I understand, does that mean he was not buried?

The info I have is at http://www.highfieldhistory.co.uk/jones-george-robert

Thank you,

Raylene

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