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Hong Kong & Singapore Royal Garrison Artillery

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I'm looking for information on the role of this regiment in WW1. Were they sent to any theatre of the war or did they remain to guard the colonies?

I haven't been able to find out any more than that the HKSRA and RGA had four companies. Out of the four, two were composed of Mohammedans (Muslims) from Northern India, one of Sikhs, and one of mixed castes, Portuguese and Chinamen.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that they were protecting the Suez Canal around Ismailia from a Turkish advance early on in the war, but I'm probably mistaking that for someone else.

Matthew

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HK&SRGA Mountain Battery were part of the Imperial Camel Corps Brigade which began forming in Egypt in November 1915. Served in the Western Desert, Sinai and Palestine. The mountain battery had 6 x 10-pdr to Feb 1917 then 6 x 2.75in. 210 all ranks.

I know of at least one officer, 2nd Lt B F Chapman, a Sandbach schoolboy, killed at Second Battle of Gaza.

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The HK&S batty was a mountain unit with donkies but on its attachment to the Camel Brigade in 1916 it handed its Donk's for Camels.

The Btty was a mixed unit with Sikhs and other Indian soldiers.

I have a nominal roll, I have made up which is not very good but does show the mixed nature of the men.

The War dairy is availible also. And shows its movements around Egypt and Palestine during the war both before and after the Camel Brigade.

S.B

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Thank you both for that information. Glad to hear that the war diary is available. I'm also collating a nominal list from the MIC's online, but recognising that it has its limitations.

Matthew

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Mat,

I was trying to build up a nominal roll on this unit for a book I am working on of the Imperial Camel Corps.

Names of soldiers for this unit are hard to find for me in Australia and purhaps we can compare notes on the nominal roll as I would like to include all the men possible that served. I have about one hundred names.

If you can not find the War Diary let me know and I'll get a copy for you.

Be aware the War Diary is in part badly written with small writting.

What is the MIC and where on line.

S.B

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Steven,

MICS are Medal Index Cards. There are many threads on this forum that describe exactly what they are.

The PRO in Kew has recently started a project to digitize all the cards so in theory if you are willing to pay you can find an image of any surviving card. Of course they aren't completely accurate with missing entitlements, mistypes and names round the wrong way.

At present there are about 500 HKSRGA names, with much of the alphabet still to do. While it isn't feasible to download images of entire units, (at 3.50 Br pounds a throw-although you do get 6 cards which may not all be relevant) the index does give rank changes, regt numbers and any other service. So far I've transcribed about 250 names, so there's a long way to go.

Ideally we should look up the HKSRGA medal rolls to get the accurate roll, but as that isn't digitized yet, the MICs have to do.

To access them go to the Public Record Office site and in the Documents Online section look for First World War records online. I'd give you a direct link but the luddite part of me hasn't got a handle on that yet.

I think it's going to take quite a while for me to transcribe them, as I have many other projects up in the air, but I have no problem sharing the info when it's done.

Hope this helps.

Matthew

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Thanks Mate,

I should have picked that up before I spoke.

I have gone threw that sourse as I have many names for the 2nd British Bn Camel Corps from it.

Yes your right its limited in its info but its the best we have for now.

I surpose any nominal roll, we make, is only a starting point for those we pass on to the future. They may have more luck but its a sart we never had.

S.B

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An old thread, perhaps, but . . .

I host a MM (0ne of the VERY few MMs to Indians) to H.K.S.B. 1390 NAIK TIKA KHAN. H.K-S.BN:R.G.A. (LG 25 April 1918.

Unusually for an Indian, he has a MIC card at Kew.

With the outbreak of the First World War in 1914 the Hong Kong and Singapore Battalion, Royal Garrison Artillery, was employed on coastal defence duties at Hong Kong, Singapore and Mauritius. In 1915 No. 1 Company was formed into a 6-gun Mountain Battery and equipped with 10-pounder guns and then embarked for Egypt where it served with the Imperial Service Cavalry Brigade. After a tour of duty in the Suez Canal defences, the Battery took part in the western desert campaign. In early 1916 the Battery was stationed at Abassia where it was re-equipped with camel instead of mule transport and then attached to the Imperial Camel Corps. It then saw service in Palestine where it took part in the battles of Maghdada and Rafah. In January 1917 it was again re-equipped, this time exchanging its 10-pounder mountain guns for 2.75-inch guns. The Battery then took part in the three battles of Gaza, the action at Nebi Samil, the capture of Jerusalem and the attacks on Ammaw, Es Salt, Abu Tehnib and Megiddo.

Also have a number of solo medals to them (broken groups :( ):

BWM:

1598 [?] A-NAICK BHAN SINGH. H.K.S.R.G.A.

Victory:

1439 GNR. TEJAH SINGH H.K.S.R.G.A.

And some others, I think. B)

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Ave you checked the appendices in "A History of the Singapore Volunteer Corps 1854-1935" published 1938. I have a copy but am busy for the next 2 weeks getting ready for Le Mans ....

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Mate,

I show these men in the HK&SMB and you will find the men you mentioned there;

Abdullah Khan 1633 Gnr

Abdul Gham 1116 Hav

Ahmed Khan 1663 Gnr

Ahmed Khan 1630 Gnr

Ahmed Khan 1332 Gnr

Alam Din 1661 Gnr

Alam Sher 886 Gnr

Alim Sher 1614 Gnr

Alim Sher Khan 1613 Gnr

Allah Dad 1763 Gnr

Allah Dad 1600 Gnr

Allah Dad 658 Gnr

Allah Dad 1662 Gnr

Allah Din 1458 Jamadar HKS

Allah Din 1667 Gnr

Allah Din 743 Gnr

Allah Din 431 Hav /Maj

Allah Ditta 1326 Gnr

Allah Yad Khan 1612 Gnr

Allah Yar Khan 1669 Gnr

Amar Singh 1212 Gnr

Asharaf Khan 1596 Gnr

Atma Singh 1730 Gnr

Attah Muhd 1582 Gnr

Aurangzeb Khan 1253 Gnr

Aurangzeb Khan 861 Naik

Bachan Singh 5677 L/Naik HKS

Bagh Ali 1535 Gnr

Bagh Ali 570 Sub

Bagh Din 1539 Gnr

Bahadar 1502 Gnr

Bahadar Khan 1687 Gnr

Bahadar Khan 1648 Gnr

Bahawal Buksh 887 Gnr

Banta Singh 1683 Gnr

Banta Singh 1552 Gnr

Bhagat Singh 1773 Gnr

Bhagat Singh 922 Naik

BHAGEL Singh 1728 Gnr HKS NKG listed on Indian Army Heliopolis (Port Tewfik) Memorial KIA 17-8-18

Bhan Singh 1646 Gnr

Bhan Singh 1598 A/Naik

Bholar Singh 1219 Gnr

Bhuda Khan 1493 Gnr

Bishen Singh 928 Havildar

Bostan 1305 Naik

BUR Singh 1777 Gnr

BUR Singh 1509 Gnr

BUR Singh 1756 Gnr HKS NKG listed on Indian Army Heliopolis (Port Tewfik) Memorial KIA 18-10-18

Buta Khan 1655 Gnr

Buta Khan 1484 Gnr

CHAJJA Singh 1213 Havildar HKS DCM

Chapman Benjamin F Lt HKS / RGA killed in OP buried Gaza War Cemetery Palestine KIA 19-4-17 2nd Gaza

Chet Singh 1558 A/Naik

Chetu 766 Hav

Dad A Gnr HKS

Dalip Singh 1787 Gnr

Day W Lt RGA MID Magdhaba

Evenden E Lt RGA MID Magdhaba

Fakir Khan 1082 Gnr

Fateh Muhd 1701 Gnr

FATTEH Singh 1052 Havildar HKS DCM MID Magdhaba

Fatteh Singh 1050 Jemadar

Fazal Ahmed 1403 Gnr

Fazal Dad 1308 naik

Fazal Illahi 1666 Gnr

Fazal Illahi 1541 Gnr

Fazal Karim 1650 Gnr

Fazal Khan 1533 Gnr

Gauhar Khan 1250 Naik

Ghulam Hussain 1706 Gnr

Ghulam Hussain 1422 Gnr

Ghulam Hohamed 918 Gnr

Ghulam Mehdi 1087 Naik

Ghulam Muhd 1626 Gnr

Ghulam Muhd 1616 Gnr

Ghulam Muhd 1632 Gnr

Gillies Donald 69539 Saddlier HKS /RGA died dysentery buried Kantara War Memorial Cemetery DoD 31-8-17

Haider Khan 810 naik

Hari Singh 1819 Gnr

HARNAM Singh 1742 Gnr

HARNAM Singh 1580 Gnr

HARNAM Singh 1520 Naik

HARNAM Singh 1167 Gnr

HARNAM Singh 1027 Har

HARNAM Singh 1789 Gnr HKS NKG listed on Indian Army Heliopolis (Port Tewfik) Memorial KIA 29-3-18

Harnam Singh 1684 Gnr

Hambly Reginald James Capt

Halpin Joseph James Lt

Ilm Din 1496 Gnr

Iman Din Khan A/Subadar HKS MID Magdhaba

Indar Singh 737 Hav

Jayem A Sgt HKS

JHODA Khan 1603 L/Naik HKS (not identified) DoD 30-12-18

Jind Singh 1554 Gnr

Jiwan Singh 1359 Naik

Jiwand Singh 1168 Naik

KADU Khan Gnr HKS

Karam Dad 1651 Gnr

Karam Din 699 T/Naik HKS MID 2 Gaza

Karam Khan 1489 Gnr

KHALAS Khan 1501 L/Naik HKS NKG listed on Indian Army Heliopolis (Port Tewfik) Memorial DoD 17-12-18

Khushi Muhd 1527 Gnr

KISHEN Singh 1178 Havildar HKS DCM

KISHEN Singh 1740 Gnr HKS buried Gaza War Cemetery KIA 19-4-17 2nd Gaza

Kutab Din 1160 Naik

Lakha Singh 1192 Naik

Labh Singh 1624 A/Naik

LAKKA Singh Naik HKS

Mardan Ali 1591 Gnr

Maula Dad 1161 Gnr

Mian Khan 1170 Naik

Mian Muhd 1604 Gnr

Moore William Agnew Maj CO HKS RGA to Tank Corps DSO MC MID Magdhaba

MUHAMMAD Zaman 1817 Gnr HKS NKG listed on Indian Army Heliopolis (Port Tewfik) Memorial KIA 2-2-18

Muhd Khan 597 Subadar

Muhd Shah 1653 Gnr

Muhd Yafar 1605 Gnr

Muldowney MJ 13318 Sgt HKS ex RGA DCM

MUZAFFAR Khan 1290 Naik HKS NKG listed on Indian Army Heliopolis (Port Tewfik) Memorial KIA 21-11-17

NARAIN Singh Gnr HKS

Natha Singh 1041 Naik HKS IDSM

NAWAB Khan 722 Havildar HKS DCM MID Magdhaba

Nawab Khan 1549 Naik

Nawab Khan 1546 Gnr

Nizan Din 35 Dvr HKS

Nihal Singh 1642 Gnr

Nutta Singh Naik HKS

Payanda Khan 1000 L/Naik HKS IDSM

PHUMAN Singh Gnr HKS

PIRAN Ditta 712 Havildar HKS DCM MID Magdhaba

PIRAN Ditta 1081 Havildar HKS DCM MID 2nd Gaza

Rahmat Khan 735 Hav

Rahmat ullah 1255 Naik HKS MID

Rajah Khan 1586 Gnr

Ram Singh 504 Gnr HKS IDSM

Ranja Khan 1694 Gnr

Rur Singh 1159 Havildar HKS DCM MID Magdhaba

Sadhu Singh 1621 Havildar

Sardar Muhd 1597 Gnr

SARWAN Walli 616 Gnr HKS

SAUDAGAR Singh 1745 Gnr HKS NKG listed on Indian Army Heliopolis (Port Tewfik) Memorial KIA 19-4-17 2nd Gaza

Shah Muhd 1543 Gnr

Sham Singh 380 Jemadar HKS

SHANA Khan Gnr HKS

Sharah Khan 1657 A/Naik

Sher Muhd 1545 Naik

Shor Muhammed 1828 Havildar HKS MID 2nd Gaza

Smyth VG Capt RGA MID Magdhaba

Sodargah Singh 1563 A/Naik

Stevens WH 33914 Cpl RGA MID Magdhaba

Sultan Ahmed 1705 Gnr HKS NKG listed on Indian Army Heliopolis (Port Tewfik) Memorial KIA 26-3-17 1st Gaza

Sultan Alam 1711 A/Naik

SULTAN Muhamed 762 Havildar HKS DCM

Sykes Vincent A 9850 Gnr HKS / RGA buried Kantara War Memorial Cemetery DoW 20-5-17 2nd Gaza

Tika Khan 1390 Naik HKS MID MM Magdhaba

Tara Singh 1807 Gnr

Tara Singh 1940 Gnr

Tejah Singh 1439 Gnr

Taja Khan 1588 Gnr

Yasin Khan 1364 Gnr

Yasin 1316 Gnr

Yar Muhd 1639 Gnr

Udham Singh 1906 Gnr

Udham Singh 1928 Gnr

Udham Singh 1820 Gnr

Waldren HH 15682 CQMS HKS MID

WASAWA Singh Jemadar HKS NKG listed on Indian Army Heliopolis (Port Tewfik) Memorial KIA 23-3-16

Zaman Ali 302 Jemadar HKS

Zaman Khan 1252 Gnr

Zaman Khan 2262 Gnr

Zaman Khan 1815 Gnr

Wir Singh 1415 A/Naik

Wir Singh 1210 Gnr

Wir Singh 2155 Gnr

Wiran Singh 1022 Gnr

Wir Singh 1611 Gnr

Wir Singh 1416 Har

Wazir Khan 2183 Gnr

Waryam Singh 1748 Gnr

This is by no means complete but its the best from many years of research, if anyone can add to the list please send me a line.

S.B

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Steve,

As you are "knocking up" a roll for what it is worth here are the three medals in my collection :-

H.K.S.R.G.A. 1670 GNR. NAWAB KHAN. vcty -

H.K.S.R.G.A. 1703 GNR. NADU KHAN. star -

H.K.S.R.G.A. 856 SUBDR.MJR. MUHD ALI. BWM -

None of then seem to be on your listing. Regards, Jim

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To add to Ed's excellent summary of the Battery's Great War experience here are three pages from Lucas' "The Empire at War".

Martin Farndale's "The Forgotten Fronts" contains maps and descriptions of the actions.

Harry

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Mates,

Thanks also for the details.

I;ll check these new men as additions are welcome.

Bushfighter

I notice that piece mentioned three (3) Indian Army officers killed at 2nd Gaza with the Battery, does any one know which ones they were?

The only officer I know killed at 2nd Gaza is Ben Chapman Lt RGA, but I am unsure about his Indian Army conections other then being with the HK&SMB?

S,B

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Steve

I would assume that Ben Chapman is the British officer KIA.

If you have (or if any other forum member has) made a database of casualties in that campaign then a search in the date period of 2nd Ghaza should throw out the three Indian officers also KIA.

Harry

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Hi Steve,

I have the following to add to your roll;

756 GNR PELWAN KHAN H.K.S.R.G.A.

Victory Medal

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Mate,

Thanks I didn't have him.

So far the list as moved on since I first posted it to date I have found 357 men from the HK&SMB

S.B

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Steve, Three from my medal collection.

1670 GNR. NAWAB KHAN. (victory)

1703 GNR. NADU KHAN. (1914/5 star)

856 SUBDR. MJR. MUHD. ALI. (BWM)

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Mate,

Thanks I do have them,

I tried to post my updated list but for some reason it won't post?

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