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J England

Desperately seeking information

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Greetings,

My great uncle Lionel Bertram Champ died as a result of woulds in 1918/1919. I know that he was married to his fiancee before his death and that he was buried at St James Friern Barnett. But I would really like to build his story. I do know he had boarded with his sweetheart's family and that he went to Canada and New York and had probably planned to immigrate with his wife and start a family but he returned to England to serve in the war. He was 33 when he died. He was a sapper in the Royal Engineers WR/601839. I would cherish any information about his wounds, where he served and why, who he served with and I would so so love a picture to remember this man in our family. His wife never remarried. So many generations lost - I feel it is important to gather all the information possible to remember those who served.

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hi

is this him?

First name(s) LIONEL BERTRAM
Last name CHAMP
Birth year 1885
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Holborn
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Page 761
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

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this would be the marriage reference

First name(s) LIONEL B
Last name CHAMP
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1919
Registration month -
 
MarriageFinder™
LIONEL B CHAMP married
Lillian E Wimhurst
Spouse's last name Wimhurst
District Islington
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Page 337
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

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Yes thank you both so much this is him. I know very little about his life and wonder if there is any way of knowing how he was wounded/died and what battles he was in? He appears to have died back in London. I think my grandmother was so very sad about his death she just always pretended he was in Canada - strange but she did. She gave my father Lionel's name as a middle name and just told the family that he was in Canada with a family!

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It doesn't look like he served outside of the UK, as there doesn't seem to be any records of his military career. Home service only? Probably.

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Oh that is interesting. I wonder how he died then? He seems to be down as a Canadian on the grave but he was English, had gone to Canada and NY and then back for the War.

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1901 census

150, Balls Pond Road, Islington, London, England

First name(s) Lional B
Last name Champs
Relationship Son
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 15
Birth year 1886
Occupation Clerk Junior
Birth town St Luke's
Birth town as transcribed ST LUKES
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed LONDON
Birth place England

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looks like he went to Canada 1913

First name(s) L B
Last name Champ
Gender Male
Age 28
Birth year 1885
Occupation CYCLE MECHANIC
Departure year 1913
Departure day 7
Departure month 8
Departure port Southampton
Destination port Quebec
Destination QUEBEC
Country Canada
Destination country Canada
Ship name Ausonia
Ship official number 129735
Ship master's first name S G S
Ship master's last name MCNEIL
Shipping line CUNARD
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port QUEBEC
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 14706
Ship registered tonnage 4955
Number of passengers 623
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960

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10 minutes ago, J England said:

Yes thank you both so much this is him. I know very little about his life and wonder if there is any way of knowing how he was wounded/died and what battles he was in? He appears to have died back in London. I think my grandmother was so very sad about his death she just always pretended he was in Canada - strange but she did. She gave my father Lionel's name as a middle name and just told the family that he was in Canada with a family!

death in Chesterfield?

First name(s) LIONEL B
Last name CHAMP
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1886
Age 33
Death quarter 1
Death year 1919
District Chesterfield
County Derbyshire
Volume 7B
Page 1177
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

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Gosh thank you again. Chesterfield. Why would that be? He is buried with a regiment.

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1 minute ago, J England said:

Gosh thank you again. Chesterfield. Why would that be? He is buried with a regiment.

Chesterfield district.

perhaps a visit to one of the "spa" towns for therapy, eg Buxton?

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Died in Q1, 1919......Spanish flu epidemic? Is it known definitively that he died of wounds ?

Regards,

JMB

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First Name: Lionel Bertram
Initials: L B
Surname: Champ
DOB: Circa 1886
Age: 33
Nationality: British
Date of Death: 08/03/1919
Information: Parent: Charles John Champ; husband of Lillian Eva Mary Champ, of 10, Mildmay Park, London.
Rank: Sapper
Service Number: WR/601839

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I wonder if it was Spanish flu. He had some mechanical experience so I thought he would have served overseas by the time he died - could he have served with Canadians? He did get married shortly before his death. Thanks so much for your thoughts on this. It is 1.06am NZ time here so will head to bed but will check in my morning. Thanks so much once again.

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he also went across the borde from Canada into the US in 1913

United States, Canadian Border Crossings Transcription

First name(s) Lionel B
Last name Champ
Sex Male
Age 28
Birth year 1885
Birth country England
Birth place as transcribed England
Event Immigration
Year 1913
Date 1913
State Vermont
Country United States
Source (M1464) Manifests of Passengers Arriving in the St. Albans, VT, District through Canadian Pacific and Atlantic Ports, 1895-1954
Source 2 Roll 240, vol 276-277, Dec 1913
Record set United States, Canadian Border Crossings
Category Travel & migration

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11 minutes ago, J England said:

It is 1.06am NZ time here so will head to bed but will check in my morning

gets a bit addictive at times!

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There is a hospital in Chesterfield which had first war patients plus some who died not of wounds but illness.  Also 2nd war soldiers.  Perhaps Brian with his knowledge of casualties could help he is quite amazing

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Buried St James's Friern Barnet - abode Bovington?

 

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The War Graves Photographic Project has a photo of his headstone, unfortunately he charges £4 for an email copy , perhaps there is a Pal close by who could take one for you.Ralph.

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He attended St Matthews School Islington from 23 1 1893 born 21 7 1885 

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I have done a trawl on Ancestry, with following results....

1) no evidence of medals awarded, so did not serve overseas,

2) one family tree [England Family Tree, the Huguenot Connection]. Owner is "private", but is female and from detail* in LBChamp's life-story, I believe that she is grand-daughter of Katherine B. Champ.  She is apparently the daughter of Terence L. England, who was born & died in NZ. This tree gives his WW1 service in Royal Navy, but is clearly incorrect.

 

2 hours ago, J England said:

I think my grandmother was so very sad about his death she just always pretended he was in Canada - strange but she did.

*She includes this story, and is obviously related to you, perhaps as first- or second-cousin.

Regards,

JMB

 

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ID: 24   Posted (edited)

25 minutes ago, Stephen Nulty said:

Picture of his headstone here.....

 

http://www.friern-barnethistory.org.uk/userfiles/file/The_Area/War_Memorials/First-World-War-Memorials.pdf

 

with some additional family info later on ion the document

 

Seems to prove/agree that he served on U.K shores only. So, as mentioned above, No campaign medals awarded and, unfortunately, any records were lost during WW2.

Edited by wandererpaul

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Lionel  is badly listed  by Ancestry as Lionel Beitram Chawla in the register of soldiers effects

His cause of death is shown as pneumonia (at home) (as opposed to overseas) 

His widow Lilian Eva is listed as the legatee of his effects

 

Ancestry Link to Lionel;s Register Entry

 

Regards Ray

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