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Haig family tree

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Douglas Haig no doubt had parents. But who were they?

DH had brothers and sisters - who and how many?

Specifically - was there a John Haig? And did said John Haig have a daughter Mary?

I cannot bear to wade through all the Haig threads to find this basic info. (if it's there at all) so feel free to help.

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DH`s father was John Haig & his mother Rachel Veitch.

DH was the 11th child, of whom 8 survived into adulthood. Phil B

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Simon

The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography gives the information [abridged] that:

Born at 24 Charlotte Square, Edinburgh, on 19th June 1861, the fifth son of John Haig (1802-1878) of Cameron Bridge, Fife, and his wife, Rachael Mackerras (d. 1879), daughter of Hugh Vietch of Stewartfield, Midlothian. Haig was the last of eleven children, nine of whom survived infancy.

If it's the actual family members that you're after, siblings etc., with such exact dates and addresses, all the children could be easily identified from the Scottish censuses available on:

Scotland's People

There is a minimum fee of £6, but there's no access in the same way as there is for England and Wales via Ancestry, so probably no 'free' lookups.

Sue

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Haig's daughter, Lady Alexandra Henrietta Louisa HAIG, born 9 March 1907, married Rear Admiral Clarence Dinsmore HOWARD-JOHNSTON on 10 June 1941; they divorced and she married Hugh Redwald TREVOR-ROPER in December 1954.

This info was put up in an O/T thread a month or two back, in response to a casual enquiry about Trevor-Roper.

Jim

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I believe these were the nine surviving children of John and Rebecca Haig:

William Henry Haig b 1841

Mary Elisabeth Haig b 1843

Hugh Veitch Haig b 1845

Janet Stein Haig b b 1847

Rachel Alice Haig b 1849

Francis Henrietta Haig b 1851

John A Haig b 1857

George Ogilvy Haig b 1859

Douglas Haig b 1861

Hugh Veitch Haig's son Lieutenant Colonel John Haig, Westminster Dragoons attached to MGC won the DSO and was MID 3 times he served in France, Balkans, Egypt and Palestine. His other son Lieutenant Colonel Oliver Haig of the Westminster Dragoons attached to the Remount Service served in France.

Pam

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Well there's one in the eye for the fanatics forumites who nurse a strong dislike for the late Field Marshal - his brother, at least, invented something useful which greatly comforted men in the trenches:

The blended Scotch with perhaps the most unusual package is Dimple. In 1893 George Ogilvy Haig conceived the idea of bottling Haig Scotch Whisky in a unique, 3-sided, pinched decanter with a hollow or dimple in each of its sides. Such was the eye-catching appeal of the bottle that the name Dimple was subsequently adopted for Haig's blend. The first bottle ever to be patented in the U.S., it eventually became the brand's legal trademark.

Scotch

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I can imagine the train of thought. "I used to nurse a strong dislike for the Field Marshal, but now I know that his brother designed a bottle, well, all that`s changed!" <_< Phil B

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Haig was descended from the 17th laird, James Haig, through his eldest surviving son, Robert. James almost ruined the estate and passed it on to his brother William and fled to Holland where he died in 1619. William (King`s Solicitor of Scotland) cut out Robert and passed the estate to his nephew David, 7th son of James Haig. David`s son, Anthony, made many improvements at Bemersyde. Meantime, Robert, who should have inherited, had learnt methods of distilling and started a whisky business. Four generations later, John Haig married Margaret Stein, daughter of Scotland`s leading whiskydistiller. John died at 53 and his widow apprenticed her 5 sons to become distillers at the Kilbagie and Kennetpans distilleries. One of these sons, William, was DH`s grandfather. William and his son John created a highly successful business in Fife and Haig became one of the world`s leading brands.

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It seems then that the man I am interested in, Lt. Col. Hugo De Pree (mentioned in TWTIK new as OC bde.), actually married DHs sister Mary Elisabeth. She must have been 27 years his senior though as he was b. 1870 (d.1943). I'll have to check this, though it's not impossible. Cameron Bridge, Fife is right though and means we're singing from the same hymn sheet at least.

Hugo was son of George Cecil De Pree, former surveyor general of India. Hugo is in 1937 Who's Who for those that require more.

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Per Family Search George Charles de Pree married Mary Elizabeth Haig on 22nd Feb 1870. They had at least two sons:

Hugo Douglas de Pree born 25th Dec 1870 Brome, Suffolk

Cecil George de Pree born 1872

Both boys went to Eton and per the Eton War record:

de Pree, C.G., Major Fife and Forfar Yeomanry, empld, Lt Col Loyal N Lancashire Regiment., MID, France, Egypt, Gallipoli

de Pree, H.D., CB, CMG, DSO, Brig-Gen (RA), MID 4, France

From the Distinguished Service Order

De Pree, H. D.

(DSO LG 3.6.19) b 25.12. 70; s of Col G. C. De Pree and Mary d. of John Haig, of Fife; m Diones d. of F E Thornhill JP; 3 sons; 1 dau; educ. Eton, RMA, Woolwich; 2nd Lt RA, 25.7.90; Lt 25.7.93; Capt 3.2.00; Div Adjt. 11.4.00 to 18.4.01; Major 19.1.08; Lt Col 11.1.15 to 10.1.20; T/Brig-Gen 5.3.16 to 26.4.19; Bt. Col 1.1.17; T/Brig-Gen 2.12.19 to 21.12.20; Col 11.1.19; Col Comdt 1.1.21; served NW Frontier, India 1897-98 (Medal 2 clasps); British E Africa 1901 (Medal clasp); S. Africa, 1901-2 (Queens Medal 5 clasps); European War, 1914-18; Despatches 5 times; CB 1918; CMG 1916.

Pam

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I can imagine the train of thought. "I used to nurse a strong dislike for the Field Marshal, but now I know that his brother designed a bottle, well, all that`s changed!"

It'll all become much clearer after ye've had a wee dram or two of Dimple Haig!! :P

As for Hugo ... The Times, Wednesday 31 March 1943

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In fact ... while we're on the topic of deaths in the family, this may interest you, from The Times, Saturday, 4 February 1928:

I think I need another Dimple Haig to sort all this out. :o

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But it gets worse ... or better, I suppose, depending on your point of view:

See also Beechhill House

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Oops! :ph34r:

Silly me: The Times (Tuesday, 24 October 1944), p. 2.

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I believe these were the nine surviving children of John and Rebecca Haig:William Henry Haig b 1841 Mary Elisabeth Haig b 1843 Hugh Veitch Haig b 1845 Janet Stein Haig b b 1847 Rachel Alice Haig b 1849 Francis Henrietta Haig b 1851John A Haig b 1857George Ogilvy Haig b 1859Douglas Haig b 1861Hugh Veitch Haig's son Lieutenant Colonel John Haig, Westminster Dragoons attached to MGC won the DSO and was MID 3 times he served in France, Balkans, Egypt and Palestine. His other son Lieutenant Colonel Oliver Haig of the Westminster Dragoons attached to the Remount Service served in France.Pam

John Haig DSO is a research project of mine .As we have heard he was killed along with his Sister Mrs DuPree in 1944 in an accident with an aircraft crashing into a house. Anyone with a photo of him please contact me

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Captain Richard William Manning Haig-Philp, Royal Field Artillery, is named on our local war memorial. A 1916 newspaper report describes him as a near relative of Sir Douglas Haig.

His parents were Richard Philp, M.A., LL.D., barrister-at-law, and Gertrude Philp née Manning.

  • His mother Gertrude was the third daughter of Sir William Montagu Manning (son of John Edye Manning and Matilda Jorden, née Cooke) and Emily Anne Wise.
  • His father Richard studied at Trinity College, Dublin.

Anyone know his connection to the Commander-in-Chief?

Edited with additional family information.

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Might be some useful info from The Peerage

Ctrl & F enter Haig (about ⅓ of the way down)

Mike

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Might be some useful info from The Peerage

Ctrl & F enter Haig (about ⅓ of the way down)

Mike

Thanks Mike ,will have a look

Max

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Thanks Mike. Beginning to think that 'near relative' may be stretching it a bit.

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Where on earth did I get the idea of a Haig family connection to Krupps ? Is it Blackadder, Python or maybe Veitch/Stein.

So long ago I don't remember and now not really motivated to look.

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Where on earth did I get the idea of a Haig family connection to Krupps ? Is it Blackadder, Python or maybe Veitch/Stein.

So long ago I don't remember and now not really motivated to look.

Haig, The Hague, The Hague Convention. Krupp trial???? wiki

Mike

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Don't think so Mike. Hazy recall of some connection with shareholdings. Seemed ironic at the time but to be honest it may have been satirical or mud slinging.

Pretty sure I read it. Not something I saw in a movie.

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