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My great-uncle, Frank Flexney servered in the Ist Battalion SWB, being killed at the Aisne on 26th September 1914. I believe he was a reservist, responding to the mobilization of 5th August. Would it be possible to obtain his pre-war military record if he was indeed on reserve, and where was the Regiment stationed before the War. Family tradition has it he was in India at some point

Steve

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soldiers papers prior to 1913 are held (in original format not fiche) at the national archives as are ww1 papers

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1 SWB served in India Pre the Great War as follows:

10 December 1897 - March 1898 - Meerut

March 1898 - November 1899 - Chakrata,

November 1899 - March 1900 - Dehra Dun and Pur

March 1900 -November 1900 - Meerut,

November 1900 - October 1902 - Peshawar

October 1902 - November 1902 - Mian Mir and Umballa

November 1902 - January 1903 - Delhi

January 1903 - March 1905 - Mian Mir and Dalhousie

March 1905 - March 1909 - Karachi and Hyderabad

March 1909 - 2 December 1910 - Right British Infantry (later Roberts) Barracks, Quetta

Followed by:

23 December 1910 - 24 August 1913 - Lower Barracks, Chatham, Kent

28 September 1913 - 12 August 1914 - Bordon, Hampshire

Dave

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1 SWB served in India Pre the Great War as follows:

10 December 1897 - March 1898 - Meerut

March 1898 - November 1899 - Chakrata,

November 1899 - March 1900 - Dehra Dun and Pur

March 1900 -November 1900 - Meerut,

November 1900 - October 1902 - Peshawar

October 1902 - November 1902 - Mian Mir and Umballa

November 1902 - January 1903 - Delhi

January 1903 - March 1905 - Mian Mir and Dalhousie

March 1905 - March 1909 - Karachi and Hyderabad

March 1909 - 2 December 1910 - Right British Infantry (later Roberts) Barracks, Quetta

Followed by:

Thanks Dave

That solves one problem as the Family story says he was in India - just have to get up to London one day to try & check his record

Steve

23 December 1910 - 24 August 1913 - Lower Barracks, Chatham, Kent

28 September 1913 - 12 August 1914 - Bordon, Hampshire

Dave

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Below is a list manually transcribed of SWB recipients of the 1914 Star (Source: WO329/2447) . I have omitted the names of those men who were in China in 1914, and have been concentrating on the 9000 numbers.

Number Surname Name Remarks

9003 Regan William

9006 Evans

9007 Bilton Sidney Percy

9010 Barry John Killed inA.

9014 Fordham

9015 Cull Disc.392.XVI

9016 Sawyer

9018 Sims Disc.392.XVI

9019 Weston

9021 Friend

9025 Jarman

9027 Ridley

9030 Gadsby

9037 Woodman

9045 Samuels Disc.392.XVI

9050 Jones

9052 Hills

9056 Humphreys

9060 Meaden

9065 Fisher

9068 Wallin

9069 Bird Arthur Disc.392.XVI

9073 Livingstone

9074 Goodyer

9076 Arnold Charles

9081 Norman

9084 Harper

9087 Parnaby

9088 Saunders

9089 Pike

9090 Foot

9091 Hogan

9093 Callan John

9100 Willenbrook

9103 Warman

9108 Spanner Disc.392.XVI

9112 England

9114 Forknall

9116 Hyatt

9119 Bland James Killed inA.

9120 Middleton

9122 Seacombe

9124 Packham

9127 Bellamy Alfred William Disc.392.XVI

9128 Barnard

9132 Morris

9134 Miller

9147 Vanner Disc.392.XVI

9154 Kenvin

9155 Kenvin

9158 Davies

9161 Rutter

9162 Lancashire

9163 Holbrook

9165 Phillips

9167 Smith

9173 Evans

9178 Lewis

9180 Coxhead

9182 Gibbs

9185 Hawkins

9192 Manley

9194 Mansfield

9197 Brown Ernest John Killed inA.

9198 Belcher Chas Hawkins

9203 Belford George

9211 Hunt

9212 Payne

9214 Savage Wounds, died of

9216 Lovett

9217 Fletcher

9219 Slater Killed inA.

9227 Anders

9229 Reynolds Disc.392.XVI

9230 Corby Disc.392.XVI

9231 Withey

9232 Alexander

9233 Miller

9234 Butt Owen Killed inA.

9237 Cook William Charles Disc.392.XVI

9237 Laffy

9238 Day William Frederick

9239 Franklin

9242 Rolfe

9246 Roberts

9250 Leach

9255 Moss

9257 Martin

9276 Connolly James

9277 Evans

9277 Evans

9285 Gallavan

9290 Dolling

9293 Lloyd

9293 Swannell Killed inA.

9297 James

9301 Parsons

9309 White

9310 Preece

9311 Orman

9318 Moss

9322 O'Sullivan

9322 Williams

9325 Beesley

9334 Bell Walter Killed inA.

9336 Cochrane Walter Wounds, died of

9337 Smith Harry Tyrell

9342 Bliss Robert Disc.392.XVI

9346 Key

9349 Clemens Frederick

9350 Barker John C

9351 Newman

9352 Young Disc.392.XVI

9353 Mancey

9361 Lewis

9362 Osborne

9366 Shinkins

9368 Ringham

9369 Fuller

9370 George Alfred W

9371 Rhodes

9372 Pocock

9373 Whitney Killed inA.

9374 Lloyd

9375 Richards

9376 Priday

9377 Jones

9379 Evans

9380 Attwood Thomas Killed inA.

9381 Fitzpatrick

9382 Parker

9383 Watkins

9385 Williams

9386 O'Neill

9388 Glenister

9389 Streat

9390 William

9392 Rogers

9392 Connery

9396 Franklin

9397 Perry

9404 Morris

9408 Hayes

9410 Swannell

9412 Morgan

9412 Watts

9414 Davies Ivor

9414 Gale

9416 Bishop Leonard Newman Killed inA.

9417 Prout

9419 Fry

9421 Davies Albert

9422 Jarvis

9426 Davies James

9442 Davies Thomas

9445 Evans

9447 Ronillier

9448 Murphy

9449 Pettitt

9454 Brown Arthur Killed inA.

9458 McGowan

9459 Perkins

9460 Collins John

9463 Roberts

9469 Winfield Henry Stanley

9485 Yend James

9500 Presten

9511 McLeod

9514 Edwards Amos James Killed inA.

9515 Turner Arthur Edward Killed inA.

9518 Phillips

9523 White Killed inA.

9530 Shaw Edward

9536 West John

9558 Hughes Joseph

9562 Jones Thomas William Arthur

9580 Gibbs William Thomas

9581 Morgan

9582 Lawer

9591 King George Benjamin

9595 Ravenhill Alfred

9606 Owen

9618 Hurley Thomas

9631 Ilett George

9646 Collman James Edward

9648 Smith Alfred

9650 Johns Henry

9652 Lewis Percy Killed inA.

9653 Marshall James

9668 Goldsmith George

9669 McCarthy Eugene

9672 Fitzjohn Richard

9674 Toomey Edward James

9686 Powell William Joseph

9694 Wells John

9702 English Charles

9705 Roberts Edward Percy Wounds, died of

9707 Archer William Charles Disc.392.XVI

9724 Davies Robert Killed inA.

9738 Jones David Thomas

9749 Tidey Albert

9761 Jeffries Walter

9774 Cole William Herbert

9782 Mullins John

9799 King William

9818 Round Fred

9823 Davies William Albion

9835 Pennington William James

9840 Cooper Frank Joseph

9847 Meek George Edward

9856 Harris William

9867 Mitchell Ernest John

9894 Caswell Francis John Disc.392.XVI

9897 Green Thomas Disc.392.XVI

9905 Davies Charles Lewis Disc.392.XVI

9906 Lester Henry Albert Killed inA.

9926 White William

9954 Dowdeswell Joseph William Disc.392.XVI

9958 Brown William Killed inA.

9959 Sawyer James frank

9963 Reeves William Killed inA.

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My great-uncle, Frank Flexney servered in the Ist Battalion SWB, being killed at the Aisne on 26th September 1914. I believe he was a reservist, responding to the mobilization of 5th August. Would it be possible to obtain his pre-war military record if he was indeed on reserve.....

The answer to your question is 'yes, if they survived the record depository being bombed during the Blitz in 1940'. Any surviving papers for WW1 casualties will be found in the WW1 army service papers available on Ancestry, or free to look at (on microfilm or online) in the National Archives at Kew.

Apparently some papers for some early casualties did end up being filed with pre-WW1 service papers. Again, these are available at Kew.

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Dear Steve, I am writing a book about the Battle of the Aisne in 1914 which tells the story of the battle and contains the photos of approximately 150 of the participants, many have been supplied by the descendants. I am writing to ask if you have a photo of Private Frank Flexney servered in the Ist Battalion SWB, killed at the Aisne on 26th September 1914. My email address is paul.kendall193@btinternet.com

Kind regards Paul

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Below is a list manually transcribed of SWB recipients of the 1914 Star (Source: WO329/2447) . I have omitted the names of those men who were in China in 1914, and have been concentrating on the 9000 numbers.

Here are a small selection of Silver War Badge recipients, with the all-important enlistment date:

No Name Unit SWB No Enlistment date Discharge date

9637 Williams, David SWB B216098 03/09/07 16/03/19

9645 Manning, Will F Depot 288327 04/09/07 07/12/17

9648 Smith, Alfred Depot 51105 05/09/07 25/05/16

9678 Swain, Richard Depot B216099 12/04/08 22/02/19

9679 Box, Alfred E Depot 227396 11/09/07 09/06/17

The date for Swain does look out of kilter (source: WO 329/3097 sheet J/1876/1)

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QUOTE (HERITAGE PLUS @ Jul 3 2007, 12:55 PM) Steve

1 SWB served in India Pre the Great War as follows:

10 December 1897 - March 1898 - Meerut

............

March 1909 - 2 December 1910 - Right British Infantry (later Roberts) Barracks, Quetta

Thanks Dave

That solves one problem as the Family story says he was in India - just have to get up to London one day to try & check his record

Steve

Hi Steve,

Although the bulk of the Battalion left on 2nd December 1910, there were some who left in November, went to Chatham, and subsequently went to South Africa with the 2nd. This could well have been the case with your Great Uncle.

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I have had the pleasure of dealing with Paul Nixon recently, a true gent.

He advised me of how it is possible to do wildcard searches with WO97 records. The result was considerably more records than 12 months of working with the poorly indexed WW1 Service records (many were missing) and WW1 Pension records (more of these survived than Service records). If you are researching a pre-war regular, I would advise using the WO 97 records as your first port of call. Thereafter, using the MICs in conjuntion with the Silver War Badge rolls at Kew, is a good way to put timescales to service numbers.

http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2011/10/south-wales-borderers-1881-1914-1st-and.html

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