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Can anyone put any names to the men on this memorial from atherstone in Warwickshire

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Wow thats amazing, long shot i know but does it still exist?

Neil

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Put Atherstone and Warwickshire into the including fields in Geoff's Search Engine and you'll get 140 or so possibilities - unfortunately that's about double the number of photographs on the memorial, so you might have problems working out which ones are on and which ones aren't.

Cheers,

Carole.

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best bet is to check local newspaper archives for obituarys of local servicemen. these useually carry pictures of deceased and can be used for comparison. next step would be c.w.g.c and soldiers died.

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Is this the memorial which is in the memorial hall? I saw an article about it a few months ago, but dammed if I can remember what it was about. I have an inkling that it was about the names of the men also. The memorial hall is directly across the street from the Library where there is a good stock of microfiche/film.

You might try asking Lorna Dirveiks at Atherstone Heritage Society. She is also involved with the Nuneaton and NW family history society.

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You may get lucky and find the minutes of the orginal war memorial committe in the local archives, and a list of names and reasons for inclusions.

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This does not help with the photos Kevan but amongst them should be these 31 Royal Warwicks resident in Atherstone according to SDGW. Atherstone and Nuneaton Libraries Local Studies are the best bet!

BALDWIN WILLIAM 28/07/1916 15th Bn.

BIFFIN ALBERT SAMUEL 25/04/1915 1st Bn.

BROWN ARTHUR 29/03/1917 9th Bn.

BURROWS JOSEPH 20/05/1918 14th Bn.

BURTON HAROLD 31/10/1914 2nd Bn.

COATES JOHN 11/05/1915 1st Bn.

COLCLOUGH WILLIAM 04/07/1916 9th Bn.

DEAKIN BENJAMIN 08/10/1917 1st/7th Bn.

ELLIOTT PERCY WILLIAM 16/02/1917 1st Bn.

EVANS THOMAS 12/10/1916 1st Bn.

FEREDAY SIDNEY CHARLES 03/09/1916 2nd Bn.

FLOWERS HENRY 20/10/1914 2nd Bn.

FORD EDWARD 23/07/1916 10th Bn.

FOX ALFRED GEORGE 10/08/1915 9th Bn.

GURTON MARCUS WARD 13/08/1916 11th Bn.

HORTON WILLIAM BENJAMIN 30/06/1916 9th Bn.

KENNY FRANCIS 09/10/1917 2nd Bn.

OWEN ARTHUR HERBERT 23/10/1916 1st Bn.

OZIERBROOK JOHN HENRY 25/09/1915 2nd Bn.

PALFREYMAN BENJAMIN EDWARD 13/10/1914 1st Bn.

PARKES CHARLES WILLIAM 23/12/1914 2nd Bn.

PHIPPS MILLSON 23/12/1917 1st Bn.

REID MICHAEL 28/09/1915 2nd Bn.

RIDGWAY ALFRED 27/10/1917 14th Bn.

SAMMONS GEORGE HENRY 11/04/1917 1st Bn.

SHILTON HENRY H 16/04/1918 1st Bn.

SHILTON WILLIAM JOHN 15/05/1918 1st Bn.

SPARKES ERNEST HARRY 12/11/1915 9th Bn

TAYLOR JOHN ROSS 12/08/1916 1st Bn.

TILLSON JOSEPH EDWIN 03/09/1916 2nd Bn.

WEST GEORGE HENRY 07/12/1915 9th Bn.

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Many thanks for all postings. I got the above photo from Atherstone Libary a few years ago, and while i was at the libary i checked the local newspaper and got some info on casualties in Atherstone but their was no photos in paper. i have since looked at the photo of memorial again and you can just make out names on some of the pictures.

Is this Memorial in the Memorial Hall, does anyone live local the check and if so take a photo.

thanks again for info and advice

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Went to do just that today, but due to the torrential rain I never made it. I will have a look this week though.

One thing that did catch my eye was the picture third row from the botton, centre. Looks to me like someone on my other halves side.

Capt. Walter Hill Chetwynd Ex 16th Lancers, died 1918. I have not found him on the CWGC roll. But if your brother is the local Baronet who holds the regions purse strings would you dare leave him off the local memorial. Surely it isn't him!

Alan

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Closed by the time I arrived today......

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Closed again today. No one I have spoken to can remember seeing the "Portraits". The boys are looking into it.

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thanks for trying,

Kevan

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ID: 13   Posted (edited)

Not in the memorial hall, unknown in county council offices, on the agenda of Town Council meeting tonight (Wed).

But I did come across this in the Black Horse Atherstone. It is a memorial with framed portraits of WW2 service personel. Most of the names are illegible.

The attached paper is a record of a Registered Charity. Lost my glasses so phone focus is not the best.

Memorial to WW2 Men In Black Horse Atherstone

Alan

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Can anyone put any names to the men on this memorial from atherstone in Warwickshire

Hi Kevan

Did you get anywhere with naming the men in the photo? I am trying to find out about my great great grandfather Joseph Frederick Hargrave, Gunner, who died in 1917. He lived in Atherstone all his life except when playing football for Leeds City and other teams. Do you know whether he is on the Atherstone War Memorial?

I have his service record and his medals were sentto his mother.

Ann

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The chap top left is a naval type. Can't be too many men from Atherstone or the villages round about that went to sea and died.

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Following on from Chris and previous remark about Geoff's Search Engine, here are the 137 Names with Atherstone, Warwickshire in their records:

001 ADCOCK E 16522 2ND BN 07/10/1917 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

002 ALBRIGHTON A PO/2398(S) 2ND RM BN RN DIV 25/03/1918 ROYAL MARINE LIGHT INFANTRY

003 ALLCOTT JH 16627 7TH BN 16/11/1916 LEICESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

004 ALLEN EH R/893 11TH BN 16/12/1915 KING'S ROYAL RIFLE CORPS

005 ANCOTT JW 23939 7TH BN 16/08/1917 DUKE OF CORNWALL'S LIGHT INFANTRY

006 ARCHER J 132621 COMMAND DEPOT THETFORD 19/03/1918 ROYAL ENGINEERS

007 ARCHER G 33276 8TH BN 26/10/1917 DEVONSHIRE REGIMENT

008 AUSTIN JW 200818 5TH BN 24/06/1917 LEICESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

009 BAKER J G/60638 2ND/4TH BN 01/08/1918 THE QUEEN'S (ROYAL WEST SURREY REGIMENT)

010 BAKER H 26530 6TH BN 27/09/1917 KING'S SHROPSHIRE LIGHT INFANTRY

011 BALDWIN W 9426 15TH BN 28/07/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

012 BARBER E 96140 17TH SQN 27/10/1918 MACHINE GUN CORPS (CAVALRY)

013 BAXTER J 15617 9TH BN 09/06/1917 YORK AND LANCASTER REGIMENT

014 BAYTON W 12169 4TH BN 10/07/1915 WORCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

015 BILSON E Z/944 2ND BN 09/05/1915 RIFLE BRIGADE

016 BONFIELD A PS/7323 2ND BN 04/07/1916 ROYAL FUSILIERS

017 BONFIELD SMC 1140 2ND ARMY HQ ANTI GAS SCHOOL, 06/04/1917 ROYAL ENGINEERS

018 BOOTON JA 242371 2ND/6TH BN 06/09/1917 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

019 BOOTON W R/5300 HAWKE BN RN DIV 08/10/1918 ROYAL NAVAL VOLUNTEER RESERVE

020 BROWN DR S/11990 9TH BN 26/04/1917 BLACK WATCH (ROYAL HIGHLANDERS)

021 BUCKLEY BC Y/1022 11TH BN 20/09/1917 KING'S ROYAL RIFLE CORPS

022 BURTON S S/22423 1ST BN 26/12/1918 SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS

023 BURTON H 1230 2ND BN 31/10/1914 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

024 CADMAN CE 25944 17TH FIELD COY 26/04/1915 ROYAL ENGINEERS

025 CADMAN JJ 132729 177TH TUNNELLING COY 03/06/1917 ROYAL ENGINEERS

026 CHARNELL WJ 20716 1ST BN 01/04/1918 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

027 CLARK J 131643 34TH BN 18/10/1918 MACHINE GUN CORPS (INFANTRY)

028 CLARK T 103240 8TH BN 12/12/1918 MACHINE GUN CORPS (INFANTRY)

029 COLCLOUGH W 15576 9TH BN 04/07/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

030 COTTON E 20875 6TH BN 17/10/1915 DUKE OF CORNWALL'S LIGHT INFANTRY

031 COTTON GH 49694 20TH BN 31/07/1917 DURHAM LIGHT INFANTRY

032 DEAKIN B 2788 1ST/7TH BN 08/10/1917 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

033 DEAN J 805620 D BTY 231ST BDE 11/03/1917 ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY

034 DEEMING J 268338 16TH BN 29/09/1918 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

035 DOWNS F Z/661 2ND BN 09/05/1915 RIFLE BRIGADE

036 EADON A 17759 C COY 8TH BN 19/02/1917 GLOUCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

037 EARP HE 87770 D BTY 147TH BDE 29/06/1916 ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY

038 EARP SA 2399 11TH BN 13/09/1916 KING'S ROYAL RIFLE CORPS

039 EMERY H 237705 HM S/M E37 03/12/1916 ROYAL NAVY

040 EVANS J 22266 1ST BN 11/06/1916 DUKE OF CORNWALL'S LIGHT INFANTRY

041 EVANS J 21508 4TH BN 06/08/1915 WORCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

042 FOX AG 3318 9TH BN 10/08/1915 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

043 GARRATT T 31635 3RD BN 07/11/1918 GRENADIER GUARDS

044 GAYTON WA 52538 12TH BN 06/06/1918 ROYAL IRISH RIFLES

045 GILBERT GA 16363 9TH BN 05/04/1917 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

046 GISBOURNE W R/2385 11TH BN 11/09/1915 KING'S ROYAL RIFLE CORPS

047 GREEN AJ 20094 2ND BN 15/05/1915 DUKE OF CORNWALL'S LIGHT INFANTRY

048 GREGORY WE J/5933 HMS BULWARK 26/11/1914 ROYAL NAVY

049 GRIFFIN B 35001 12TH/13TH BN 08/09/1918 NORTHUMBERLAND FUSILIERS

050 GUDGER SG 238574 X1ST TRENCH MORTAR BTY 29/08/1918 ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY

051 GURTON MW 17595 11TH BN 13/08/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

052 HARDINGE MF J/30688 HMS NEWMARKET 17/07/1917 ROYAL NAVY

053 HARGRAVE S 57246 3RD BN 20/09/1918 WORCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

054 HARRISON T 76578 11TH BN 18/09/1918 WELSH REGIMENT

055 HAYDEN AW 11645 9TH BN 29/06/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

056 HAYES VJ S/238 9TH BN 13/06/1916 RIFLE BRIGADE

057 HEALEY TN T4/035640 2ND DIV TRAIN 09/12/1918 ROYAL ARMY SERVICE CORPS

058 HIGGINSON J 11055 11TH BN 19/07/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

059 HOLLIS WH 300245 1ST/1ST 21/10/1918 STAFFORDSHIRE YEOMANRY

060 HOLMES F Z/660 1ST BN 01/07/1916 RIFLE BRIGADE

061 HOLT WJ 10291 11TH BN 11/08/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

062 HUGHES FP 536898 12TH BN 27/04/1918 LONDON REGIMENT (THE RANGERS)

063 INGHAM F 45709 12TH BN 07/10/1916 DURHAM LIGHT INFANTRY

064 ISON CF 14112 7TH BN 09/05/1917 OXFORD AND BUCKS LIGHT INFANTRY

065 JOHNSON O 16073 C COY 11TH BN 24/04/1917 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

066 JOHNSON A S/3238 1ST BN 11/10/1915 GORDON HIGHLANDERS

067 JUDD G B/200827 13TH BN 28/09/1917 RIFLE BRIGADE

068 KENT LW 37401 7TH BN 22/09/1917 SOUTH LANCASHIRE REGIMENT

069 KING HLTW 41195 2ND BN 20/04/1918 WORCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

070 KNIGHT HH 4777 X COY 1ST BN 27/08/1916 NORTHUMBERLAND FUSILIERS

071 KNIGHT EH 22917 1ST BN 18/11/1915 GRENADIER GUARDS

072 LAKIN GA 29703 4TH BN 23/04/1918 GRENADIER GUARDS

073 LANCASTER J 9878 10TH BN 18/11/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

074 LANGLEY JT 23931 11TH BN 21/05/1918 LEICESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

075 LEES W 12653 9TH BN 25/01/1917 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

076 LEES W 19426 2ND BN 17/11/1916 DUKE OF CORNWALL'S LIGHT INFANTRY

077 LEVI R 351953 9TH BN 19/10/1918 ROYAL SCOTS

078 LLEWELLYN AG 10755 A COY 1ST BN 12/11/1914 COLDSTREAM GUARDS

079 MACFARLANE CI 2175 1ST/14TH BN 01/11/1914 LONDON REG’T (LONDON SCOTTISH)

080 MAGSON W 14257 DEPOT 03/10/1916 KING'S SHROPSHIRE LIGHT INFANTRY

081 MAGSON J TR/015796 - 16/03/1920 ROYAL ARMY SERVICE CORPS

082 MANNING FEC 13609 D COY 12TH BN 24/04/1917 HAMPSHIRE REGIMENT

083 MASTERS H 263049 2ND/8TH BN 20/11/1918 WORCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

084 MAY T SB/67903 11TH BN 30/09/1918 ROYAL FUSILIERS

085 MEGGINSON WB 69490 10TH BN 08/10/1918 ROYAL FUSILIERS

086 MERCER WH Z/950 1ST BN 19/10/1916 RIFLE BRIGADE

087 MORRIS JH R/1529 2ND BN 01/07/1916 KING'S ROYAL RIFLE CORPS

088 MORRIS W 25948 1ST BN 02/10/1918 CAMERON HIGHLANDERS

089 MOSS E Z/663 2ND BN 11/11/1916 RIFLE BRIGADE

090 MULLEN JP 7074 9TH BN 10/02/1919 ARMY CYCLIST CORPS

091OLIVER T 7852 2ND BN 19/10/1914 YORK AND LANCASTER REGIMENT

092 OWEN AH 10555 1ST BN 23/10/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

093 PALFREYMAN BE 7118 1ST BN 13/10/1914 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

094 PARKER E K/11557 HMS QUEEN MARY 31/05/1916 ROYAL NAVY

095 PARKER H 22150 4TH BN 14/10/1917 GRENADIER GUARDS

096 PARKES CW 2431 A COY 2ND BN 23/12/1914 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

097 PARKINSON T Z/656 2ND BN 09/05/1915 RIFLE BRIGADE

098 PHIPPS M 23984 1ST BN 23/12/1917 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

099 PICKERING E 163772 B BTY 70TH BDE 11/04/1918 ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY

100 PRINCE CF 16299 9TH BN 09/09/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

101 RATHBONE H A/3323 11TH BN 03/10/1915 KING'S ROYAL RIFLE CORPS

102 RICHARDS F 9915 2ND BN 03/06/1917 OXFORD AND BUCKS LIGHT INFANTRY

103 RICHARDSON P A/2370 7TH BN 25/08/1916 KING'S ROYAL RIFLE CORPS

104 ROGERS C 102916 176TH TUNNELLING COY 01/06/1917 ROYAL ENGINEERS

105 SALE RL - - 15/01/1918 ROYAL HORSE GUARDS

106 SALT GJ 43057 2ND/5TH BN 01/01/1918 SOUTH LANCASHIRE REGIMENT

107 SANDS H 203316 1ST/4TH BN 17/06/1917 NORFOLK REGIMENT

108 SAWARD GV 202171 9TH BN 05/10/1918 ESSEX REGIMENT

109 SHARROTT EM 3/4639 9TH BN 19/04/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

110 SHILTON H 21640 1ST GARRISON BN 05/01/1917 OXFORD AND BUCKS LIGHT INFANTRY

111 SHILTON HH 12807 1ST BN 16/04/1918 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

112 SMITH AE 12429 C COY 2ND BN 20/09/1915 ROYAL WELSH FUSILIERS

113 SMITH J 203273 1ST BN 27/09/1917 WORCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

114 SMITH GH 18068 14TH BN 03/09/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

115 SOUTHAM FJ 16216 11TH BN 23/09/1917 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

116 STACEY W 9964 6TH BN 25/10/1915 LEICESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

117 STARKEY W K/1498 HMS QUEEN MARY 31/05/1916 ROYAL NAVY

118 STEPHENS H 48193 83RD COY 20/11/1916 MACHINE GUN CORPS

119 SWEET C 69126 9TH BN 05/05/1918 ROYAL WELSH FUSILIERS

120 THOMAS A 41229 1ST BN 06/06/1918 WORCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

121 THOMPSON CW 86290 56TH BN 28/08/1918 MACHINE GUN CORPS (INFANTRY)

122 THOMPSON W 9786 1ST BN 23/10/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

123 TILLSON JE 1638 C COY 2ND BN 03/09/1916 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

124 TIPPER WT 24496 1ST BN 14/09/1916 - - 16/09/1916 GRENADIER GUARDS

125 TONKS WH 4072 B COY 14TH BN 20/05/1917 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

126 TONKS HE 60678 1ST BN 27/05/1918 SHERWOOD FORESTERS (NOTTS & DERBY REG’T)

127 TONKS H 3/8923 1ST BN 04/06/1918 DORSETSHIRE REGIMENT

128 TREADWELL A 12248 8TH BN 23/10/1918 ROYAL BERKSHIRE REGIMENT

129 TURNER CH 20636 12TH BN 23/08/1918 GLOUCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

130 UDALL WS 99080 214TH TUNNELLING COY 03/06/1917 ROYAL ENGINEERS

131 UDALL HA TR/172408 12TH DIV MT COY 17/11/1918 ARMY SERVICE CORPS

132 VERNON TP Z/945 2ND BN 05/05/1915 RIFLE BRIGADE

133 WARDEN EA 203712 2ND/7TH BN 04/09/1918 ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT

134 WHEATLEY EH 25281 7TH BN 14/08/1916 LEICESTERSHIRE REGIMENT

135 WILSON E 202016 2ND/4TH BN 03/05/1917 DUKE OF WELLINGTON'S (WEST RIDING REGIMENT)

136 WINDRIDGE J Z/947 2ND BN 09/05/1915 RIFLE BRIGADE

137 WRIGHT LPD 9251 2ND BN 24/08/1918 OXFORD AND BUCKS LIGHT INFANTRY

There are 5 Royal Navy men, although there may be others who didn't fill in their NoK address, and no doubt other Pals can identify uniforms and rank that may help relate Names to the photographs.

Is there any other Roll of Honour or War Memorial listing for the dead of Atherstone?

It's a very touching tribute, but I assume not all families may have had photo's of their loved ones? Certainly some are in civilian clothes as I think it was only for "special occasions" that a photo would be taken in those times.

Hope this re-ignites interest for you and helps resolve their identities.

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Hello Ann There is a war memorial in Atherstone Cemetery and Joseph Frederick Hargrave, is on memorial. i have photos of memorial pm and i will glady send photos to you.

The other memorial i have had no luck finding it or putting any names to the faces.

kevan

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That memorial is an enigma. I have been looking and asking about it since this thread started. I have had the town council questioned and even the mayer of North Warwickshire, as well as some local geneologists and historians, but to no avail. Only one person I have asked (Darby and Joan dance club I think) came up with antthing positive saying that one of the men looked like her brother, but she was very young at the time of his death. I even forgot to make a note of the name. The picture is from the warwickshire web pages, so I contacted the archivest, but she too was unable to shed any light on the pictue.

Alan

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What a shame that this beautiful little memorial seems to have been lost. Hopefully it will be found in a local Church or Village Hall somewhere out of sight.

Is there any record of who put forward the Names for inclusion on the War Memorial itself?

Does anyone have the list of all 4 sides of the War Memorial, so at least all the Names will be known, even if we can't relate faces to them? I note one looks to be wearing a slouch hat, any record of an Atherstone man serving in an Australian unit? One at least seems to be in hospital blues, another with a Scottish regiment. Perhaps some expert Pal with knowledge of uniforms can comment on who is with what unit, and maybe a few might be identified!

Good luck and never give up!

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Have you tried churches/chapels? A church might have copies of a parish magazine of the period even if the memorial is not there.

A letter to a local newspaper might bring some memories of where the memorial was sited.

What about the photographer's name at the foot?

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I have taken the opportunity to contact the Nuneaton & North Warwickshire Family History Society and directed them to this thread.

Apologies if any of you have already contacted someone there.

There is a Memorial Hall in the village, so perhaps it may be stored safely somewhere therein.

Hopefully, this may lead to the discovery of the Memorial Board, it would be criminal if it has been lost forever.

Hope this helps

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aeb.

Coincidently I saw the report of F.J.Hargave's death in the Tamworth Herald archives this week. It was not an obituary, nor did it contain a photo, which may be in a later edition. The notice read as best I can make out:-

The death is reported of Gunner Fred Hargrave, Garrison Artilliary, of Atherstone, a well known professional footballer. After figuring prominantly in local football he was signed up By Aston Villa some ten years ago. He was a clever centre forward and afterwards played for Leicester City, Burton United, Wallsall, Stafford Rangers and Kiddeminister. He belonged to a family of footballers, two brothers played in the Birmingham Combination.

Hope this is of interest and use to you.

P.S. Kevi W4, Atherstone is a town, even though it does not have a MacDonalds.

Alan

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I now have had a response from the local history group.

One of her members suggested that the Dolphin might know of its whereabouts:

This is my reply

OK, will see if someone can check out the Dolphin - is there any specific reason why that pub would have it? Any link with casualties or is it because it's just across the road from the War Memorial or Memorial Hall?

PS: Had a quick Google for pubs in Atherstone - I think you mean the New Dolphin Inn - and Atherstone seems to be a place I should visit and check out not just the New Dolphin but The Market Tavern, Old Isaacs, The Red Lion, The White Horse, The Wine Bar, the Bat and Heaver (hic!) the Bull, The Barge and Bridge and ever so very many more (hic!) - not so much "mad as a hatter" but as drunk as one!!! Shurely one of them has a Memorial, no wonder no one is sure which one though!!

So, no problem in not having a McD, sounds like a good TOWN (thanks, Ghost!) to visit for a pub crawl and I now know why no one can remember where the Memorial is!! :lol:

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Atherstone has, as has been memtioned a profusion of hostelries. It was on the main coach road from London to Manchester, and has coach houses all along Long street, with no hatting left in town and no other industries I don't know how they keep going. The Dolphin, a threshold I have never crossed is next door to the Black Horse where the other memorial is (see post #13), and quite a way from the mem hall.

Alan

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Hello Any more news in locating the memorial.

thanks

Kevan

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