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[Ianander]

Hello Forum , I was searching through the Net, and I came Across this . I didn't Know that the helicopter was invented during the Great war , I always thought it was invented during the Other war!!!     any more information will be gratefully apperciated.

Thank's Ian

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[truthergw]

Ianander, on 03 March 2011 - 10:09 AM, said:

Hello Forum , I was searching through the Net, and I came Across this . I didn't Know that the helicopter was invented during the Great war , I always thought it was invented during the Other war!!! any more information will be gratefully apperciated.

Thank's Ian

Blimey! Talk about heroes of the Great War! There just weren't enough medals around to give to the guy in the ' crows nest '.

[centurion]

The thing that made the KuK helicopter designs possible was the use of contra rotating props. Several designs reached various stages of development including a multi crewed one armed with machine guns and a single seat free flight one with the blades above the pilot. However only the design shown in the photo reached flight testing and there is some dispute over whether any manned flights were achieved. The observer had no controls and the thing was managed from the ground.

[Ianander]

truthergw, on 03 March 2011 - 10:27 AM, said:

Blimey! Talk about heroes of the Great War! There just weren't enough medals around to give to the guy in the ' crows nest '.

Hello Truthergw, I agree!!!, I wouldn't get in the ' Crows nest  ' either!!!.

Many thank's
Ian

[centurion]

Four rotor design (with observers below rotors) under construction
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[Ianander]

centurion, on 03 March 2011 - 10:35 AM, said:

The thing that made the KuK helicopter designs possible was the use of contra rotating props. Several designs reached various stages of development including a multi crewed one armed with machine guns and a single seat free flight one with the blades above the pilot. However only the design shown in the photo reached flight testing and there is some dispute over whether any manned flights were achieved. The observer had no controls and the thing was managed from the ground.

Hello Centurion , not much room to fit a Machine gun!!!, But thank's again for the useful information

all the best
Ian

[centurion]

See

http://www.aviastar....asboth-1918.php

[centurion]

In Britain Louis Brennan was working on a helicopter.This was uncompleted by the end of the war, it flew in the early 1920s under the auspices of the RAE. The introduction of the autogyro effectively killed further development.

http://terpconnect.u...tos/brennan.gif

[Ianander]

centurion, on 03 March 2011 - 01:03 PM, said:

See

http://www.aviastar....asboth-1918.php

Hi Centurion , Thankyou for site and great pictures, I see in the drawing they were attached to a rope, then I take they were pulled back down!!.

Cheer's
Ian

[centurion]

Ianander, on 03 March 2011 - 01:24 PM, said:

Hi Centurion , Thankyou for site and great pictures, I see in the drawing they were attached to a rope, then I take they were pulled back down!!.

Cheer's
Ian

No, the tether was to stop drifting as these choppers had no directional controls but up and down was done by the rotors.

[Ianander]

centurion, on 03 March 2011 - 01:18 PM, said:

In Britain Louis Brennan was working on a helicopter.This was uncompleted by the end of the war, it flew in the early 1920s under the auspices of the RAE. The introduction of the autogyro effectively killed further development.

http://terpconnect.u...tos/brennan.gif

Hi Centurion ,  great picture, but it's a odd looking Helicopter!!!

chee'rs
Ian

[Ianander]

centurion, on 03 March 2011 - 01:26 PM, said:

No, the tether was to stop drifting as these choppers had no directional controls but up and down was done by the rotors.

Thanks again for putting me right !!  Cheer's Centurion

Ian

[truthergw]

It seems to have been a replacement for a balloon rather than an aircraft. My hat remains off to the pilots/observers.
Not quite an invention but perhaps one of the greatest achievements of the 20th or any other century was published during the Great War. Einstein's General Theory.

[KevinBattle]

I rather suspect that the "Other Ranks" had their own Theory about Generals!!!!!!

[truthergw]

KevinW4, on 03 March 2011 - 04:35 PM, said:

I rather suspect that the "Other Ranks" had their own Theory about Generals!!!!!!

Albert was the Other Rank of all time.

[Ianander]

truthergw, on 03 March 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

Albert was the Other Rank of all time.

Hello Truthergw  Nice Quote for a great Man!!!

Cheer's Ian

[Ianander]

KevinW4, on 03 March 2011 - 04:35 PM, said:

I rather suspect that the "Other Ranks" had their own Theory about Generals!!!!!!

Hello Kevin , Yes I bet they did !!, But we can't  use Bad language on this Forum    

all the best
Ian

[Ianander]

truthergw, on 03 March 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

It seems to have been a replacement for a balloon rather than an aircraft. My hat remains off to the pilots/observers.
Not quite an invention but perhaps one of the greatest achievements of the 20th or any other century was published during the Great War. Einstein's General Theory.

Hi Truthergw , Yes I agree with you , a replacement for a balloon !!!. Yes he was Great Man ( Albert Einstein )

many thank's
Ian

[centurion]

truthergw, on 03 March 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

It seems to have been a replacement for a balloon rather than an aircraft. My hat remains off to the pilots/observers.

A balloon is an aircraft. There were no pilots or observers as none of the helicopters reached the stage of manned flight.

BTW General Theory of Relativity is (as it says) a theory and not an invention

[59165]

Well,I hope that's put you right,Tom.Now,get that pointy hat back on & who said you could leave the corner?
Not an invention either but,the incredible advances made in 'plastic' reconstructive surgery.Having said that,there was rather a lot of patients to practice on...

[T8HANTS]

My vote will always go to the Leach trench catapult, a wonderfully anachronistic weapon, and it has given me years of fun demonstrating it.

Here's mine at Ft Nelson.

G

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[centurion]

T8HANTS, on 03 March 2011 - 07:16 PM, said:

My vote will always go to the Leach trench catapult, a wonderfully anachronistic weapon, and it has given me years of fun demonstrating it.

Given that it is dependent on the use of rubber I wouldn't call it anachronistic. The ancient catapults had to depend on twisted cords or counter weights and because they didn't propel explosive had to rely on delivering either heavy weights in a high parabola or generally pointed objects in a short flat one. They could never have been as light and portable as the Leach (and similar French weapons) and delivered anything like the same punch. Having seen an archaeological investigation into the way in which the Romans used balista to shoot their assault teams into an ancient British fort I strongly suspect they could never have been employed in a trench. Attempts to emulate the ancient catapults in the trenches (sometime using springs to replace the twisted cord) were by and large a failure (eg the West Spring gun and its German counterpart). Don't knock Gammage's  finest production!

Its a great job you're doing with your demos by the way.

[Ianander]

T8HANTS, on 03 March 2011 - 07:16 PM, said:

My vote will always go to the Leach trench catapult, a wonderfully anachronistic weapon, and it has given me years of fun demonstrating it.

Here's mine at Ft Nelson.

G

Hello T8Hants That a great picture, just one question when you  are Demonstrating Leach trench catapult !!! what sort of distance do you get?. Many thank's for the information,  T8Hants

Cheer's
Ian

[truthergw]

centurion, on 03 March 2011 - 05:36 PM, said:

A balloon is an aircraft. There were no pilots or observers as none of the helicopters reached the stage of manned flight.

BTW General Theory of Relativity is (as it says) a theory and not an invention

Who invented the Theory? I'd love to have a conversation with someone who could not distinguish a balloon from an aircraft. Well, obviously not everyone with that cognitive disability.

[Ianander]

59165, on 03 March 2011 - 05:47 PM, said:

Well,I hope that's put you right,Tom.Now,get that pointy hat back on & who said you could leave the corner?
Not an invention either but,the incredible advances made in 'plastic' reconstructive surgery.Having said that,there was rather a lot of patients to practice on...

Hello 59165,    thank's for the input
Cheer's
Ian