FROGSMILE, on 25 February 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:
I think this shows soldiers from a Gordons VB around 1903-04. The SD is is the early, July 1903 pattern, with twisted cord shoulder straps and the other men are in either 6 button doublets, or 5 button frocks, with the latter bearing typical VB Austrian knots. For these reasons it is clear that the image pre-dates by several years the formation of the TF. The sergeants star shows 4 years (originally 5) returned annually as 'efficient' in a VB. The men are also all wearing Slade Wallace valise equipment waist belts that were also typical before the issue of 1903 pattern Mounted Infantry Bandolier Equipment. The photo was almost certainly taken at annual camp in 1903-04.
Addendum: I have only just noticed the sub-title that this post was an invite to Grumpy. No slight intended by my reply and hopefully none taken.
Ran across this older thread that I find intriguing. So, with a bit of time on my hands today, I thought I would take a crack at identifying the VB by building on what has already been said including FROGSMILE's dating to 1903-04. The definitive work on the the Scottish VBs is, as I imagine most on this forum know, Grierson's "Records of the Scottish Volunteer Force 1859-1908" (I wish there was a comparable work on the Militia battalions). Grierson can be quite helpful by using his drawings and notes on uniforms; however, he is not very accurate on badges.
In 4thGordons' originally posted photograph, it can be noted that some of these men are wearing red doublets with yellow facings. That eliminates these VBs who never wore the red doublet from 1903-08: 4th VB (drab SD jacket), 5th VB (rifle green doublet), and 7th VB (drab SD incl trousers). Thus, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 6th VBs are still candidates. Further filtering by cap badge is unrewarding; Grierson is unrelable in this area, and Bloomer II can only confirm that the 6th VBGH wore the regular stag's head cap badge with added scroll.
The man on the lower right wearing the tunic with the Austrian knot may furnish a further clue. It appears the stand-up collar is of a facing color lighter than the body of the jacket (notwithstanding any film emulsion issues not understood by me). The 2nd VBGH had previously worn an Elcho grey tunic with red collar while the 3rd VBGH wore rifle green tunics with red collars. The 1st and 6th VBs had no such contrasting colors. I would vote for the man on the lower right as wearing a rifle green tunic with red collar and thus of the 3rd VBGH.
Would anyone with a more trained eye regarding film emulsion contrasts care to comment on the above?