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#1 carolm

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 03:36 AM

I recently came across an article from August 1915 giving a list of some POWs from Scottish Regiments along with the camps where they were held.  It's too long to post here but if anyone wants a copy, send me a PM with your email address.
The extract below explains its origins.

The main regiments are:
A&SH
Black Watch
Border Regiment
Camerons
Gordons
Scots Guards
Royal Scots Fusiliers
Royal Scots
2nd KOSB
Coldstreams

Some have lengthy lists (Gordons and Scots Guards) and some only a few names.
The camps mentioned are:
Gottingen
Schiessplatz Wahn
Erfurt
Cassel
Gardelgen
Altdamm
Giessen
Wittenberg
Parchim
Merseburg
Sennelager

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 08:48 PM

Hi Carolyn
                    How are you in Sunny Melbourne, Good I hope. I saw the name Sennelager I was there in 80s with the T.A.  Please could you send me the list as I am always looking for any information on our men , all sorts of info could turn up !!!

Thank you Carolyn  your help is always appreciated

regards
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 10:58 PM

Hello Ian,

Melbourne is indeed quite sunny today thanks.

I sent off the list. Only a few Black Watch if that's what you were looking for.  I do have some post-war War Office casualty lists showing returning POWs if you'd like them - I scanned the pages with Gordons, but often the Black Watch is on the same page. (Example below - casualty list of 3rd December 1918) It looks like a mixture of Regulars and Territorials.

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 11:07 PM

Thanks Carolyn
                               that would be great   :thumbsup: .  The Scot's Guards have a big list for P.O.W's

many thanks
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:53 AM

Hi Carolyn!

Do you happen to have any lists for English POW's?  Specifically, I am looking for a Rifleman, Roland Raymont Foxley, Queen Victoria rifles, who died around Cambrai in German hands. The reason for the latter assumption, is that he is buried in the part of the Cambrai East Military Cemetery used by the Germans for POW's. I had no idea there were such lists so if you do not have any info. i will post this under a separate thread.

Thanks,
Hazel C.

View Postcarolm, on 22 March 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

I recently came across an article from August 1915 giving a list of some POWs from Scottish Regiments along with the camps where they were held.  It's too long to post here but if anyone wants a copy, send me a PM with your email address.
The extract below explains its origins.

The main regiments are:
A&SH
Black Watch
Border Regiment
Camerons
Gordons
Scots Guards
Royal Scots Fusiliers
Royal Scots
2nd KOSB
Coldstreams

Some have lengthy lists (Gordons and Scots Guards) and some only a few names.
The camps mentioned are:
Gottingen
Schiessplatz Wahn
Erfurt
Cassel
Gardelgen
Altdamm
Giessen
Wittenberg
Parchim
Merseburg
Sennelager

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:31 AM

Hi Carolyn,

An interesting find and thanks for the offer. PM sent.

Much appricated  Clarke

#7 carolm

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 09:28 AM

Hi Hazel,

I'll look through the WO Casualty lists to see if I can find anything on Foxley and will let you know. These lists of course cover all regiments as well as Australian and NZ forces.  I had a quick look through a couple of pages and found the London Regiment, which is what the QV Rifles  are shown as - or at least I hope that is what they are! Found quite a few references to the regiment but haven't found Foxley yet. I don't have complete lists - just pages that contained Gordon Highlander records, so it's a matter of luck what else is on the page.

Cheers

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PS - Clarke, I sent away the file for you. I forgot to mention that you have to scroll past the Naval Casualties to get to the POW section.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 05:54 PM

Thanks Carolyn!

Yes it is the London Regiment.  Coy."C" 2nd/9th Bn. Queen Victoria's Rifles.
H.

View Postcarolm, on 23 March 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Hi Hazel,

I'll look through the WO Casualty lists to see if I can find anything on Foxley and will let you know. These lists of course cover all regiments as well as Australian and NZ forces.  I had a quick look through a couple of pages and found the London Regiment, which is what the QV Rifles  are shown as - or at least I hope that is what they are! Found quite a few references to the regiment but haven't found Foxley yet. I don't have complete lists - just pages that contained Gordon Highlander records, so it's a matter of luck what else is on the page.

Cheers

Carolyn

PS - Clarke, I sent away the file for you. I forgot to mention that you have to scroll past the Naval Casualties to get to the POW section.


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Posted 09 April 2012 - 08:12 AM

Hi Carolyn,  I am trying to find out more about my Great Grandfather - Hugh Kennedy – Kings Own Scottish Borders – regimental number8291

I would really appreciate any help in finding out about his time as a POW - I dont know which camp he would have been in.  I know he was posted missing 26th August 1914 and was not repatriated until 7th December 1918.  I have his Pension Record which, along with other research, has helped me put together the story below.

Standing in front of King's Own Scottish Borderers Depot in Berwick, Hugh Kennedy was a long way from home.  Hugh hadn't followed his father into the textile industry which was in severe decline at the start of 20th century.  Down the pits at 17, hauling the coal up from pit face to exit point, perhaps didn't suit Hugh.  He enlists in KOSB 15th June 1903, confirmed 17th June 1903, and the army wasted no time in with his first post 21st August 1903, from deduction this was to Belfast.  Hugh had enlisted for 3 years Army Service followed by 9 year Reserve Service - no one would have guessed at that point of the horrors to come.  Before 6 months had passed Hugh was appointed L. Cpl (Leutenent Corporal) on 29th January 1904 and was granted increase service pay.  Just 11 days later, 9th February 1904, 400 men of KOSB were moved from Belfast to Newry to continue training ostensibly in an area with more room to manoevre.  Hugh, it seemed, enjoyed more than just the change of venue.  He was 3rd Class Army School Certificate on 28th June.  However it wasn't all training and in his time around the town, Hugh met Florence Marshall.  After a whirlwind romance they were married 3rd October, probably at St Mary's Church of Ireland, Newry.  The marriage record indicates Hugh's occupation as labourer rather than soldier.  All seemed to be going well for Hugh, progressing in the army and new wife however in March 1905 some incident occurs that results in Hugh being demoted back to Private, he forfeits his service pay.  

His three years served Hugh is transferred to Army Reserve 15th June 1906.  Florence would have been 5 months pregnant with Henry, born 8th October 1906.  It may have been at this time, they moved to Glasgow, London Road.  Hugh seems to have returned to mining, at least he is recorded as miner in the valuation role of 1913-1914.  Sarah ann was born September 1908 and unfortunately had a brief life being recorded as deceased 23rd May 1916.  She died from TB after being ill for 6 months.  Hugh, was bord 2nd June 1911 followed by John 5th October 1913.

11 years and 56 days after he first enlisted, the KOSB was mobilized and Hugh with them, 5th August 1914.  He received his posting 6th August 1914 and by 10th August 1914 Hugh is on the front in France.  They must have been straight into action, possibly at the Battle of Mons with its subsequent retreat, and the troops fighting rearguard at Etreux.  Before August was out a missing report was been file (26th August 1914) and Hugh is not repatriated until 7th December 1918.  Hugh was awarded the British Victory Medal and Star Medal.  I don't have any details of what happened during these missing years either to Hugh, nor how Florence coped with 4 children under 9, the death of one whilst Hugh was prisoner of war - were the extended family around Bridgeton able to help?  

Hugh was transferred to Class Z Army 19th April 1919, and during this year Flora Anna was born.  It was not until 31st March 1920 that Hugh was finally discharged.  



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Posted 10 April 2012 - 12:07 AM

Hi Reeni,

I'm afraid I don't have any information about Hugh Kennedy that you don't already have. He's on a missing list published in October 1914 and a list confirming he was a POW in March 1915 (These of course were published some time after the events occurred or became known.) He isn't on the POW list of camps and names mentioned, but that seems to be just a random sample of names anyway. However I've included it just to give you some ideas of the camps he may have been held at. From earlier research I've done, it seems quite a few KOSB prisoners were later moved from Wahn to Doberitz.

Hugh appears on the list "H.R.H. Princess Mary's Fund, List of POW's and Deceased Who Qualify for a Gift". His address was 758 London Road Glasgow. This was a list of men who were entitled to the Princess Mary Christmas Gift given to troops in France in 1914, but who didn't receive it because they were already POWs. The lists were compiled in 1918/1919. Although it contains nothing new, if you want me to send you a copy, or a copy of the other lists mentioned above, let me know your email address (by PM if you can). The files are too large to post here.

Carolyn

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 07:19 PM

Hi, do you have any info on a James Allan of the Royal Scots Fusiliers, Servie Number 43085 previous Service Number 999 Royal Scots 1/10 Cyclists.  James was taken prisoner sometime around the 15th of November 1916.  I know this a year later but I thought I would ask.

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#12 carolm

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:02 AM

Hi Swally,

I only have what you probably already have - James Allan appearing on a missing list on 20th December 1916. If you don't have a copy let me know your email address and I'll send it.

Carolyn