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#1 Stebie9173

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 03:45 PM

Just a pointer for those researching officers papers who haven't spotted it yet....

The National Archives have a reasonably new set of downloads that most people don't seem to be referring to yet.

The entire Index of the WO339 Officers Papers under the title "WO 338 War Office: Officers' Services, Index to Long Number Papers, 1870-1922", is now available as a series of 23 whoppingly large 100mb to 200mb size downloads.


For all of those of us searching for officers papers for Smiths, Browns, Martins, etc. we can now at least narrow down the files to look at! biggrin.gif


The numbers quoted are NOT the modern file numbers but can be seen by opening the detailed file descriptions. You can usually gauge where to look on the list as the results on the NA Catalogue are by new file numbers which are generally in the same order as the Old ones (which the WO338 Index uses).

e.g.

I'm looking for Harry Kingsley Percival Smith of the Northamptonshire Regiment (What else!? wink.gif )


Typing in H AND Smith into the Catalogue (with WO339 as the series), we get 219 entries, of which we can probably eliminate about 50 of those as they have other initials, etc., leaving about 150+ possibles! Oh, dear.


Anyway, with WO338/18 downloaded (183mb later....)

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...ject%20-%20free


From the PDF:

WO338_example.jpg

So, we can now look down the list (only a partial one, above!) (Note that the alphabetical order is by initials, so John Arthur Smith would come before James Reginald Smith in the listings...)

And we have a Harry Kingsley Percival Smith with a "48" notation, which is the 48th Regiment. (i.e. the old 1881 numbering system!) The one below that is the 5th battalion of the Northamptons (5/48).

From that his OLD reference is 163461.

I can't find any way of actually searching for this number in the Catalogue, but a rule of thumb for the higher numbers is to subtract about 70-90,000 from the old number.

So, we should be looking for a new number in the region of WO339/80000 to WO339/100000


So, page 8 of my results pages gives me the right whereabouts in the results,  and a quick click on some likely numbers gives me, WO339/82153

Piece details WO 339/82153    
WO 339  War Office: Officers' Services, First World War, Long Number Papers (numerical)
Subseries within WO 339  OFFICERS SERVICES (INCLUDING CIVILIAN DEPENDANTS, AND MILITARY STAFF APPOINTMENTS): LONG NUMBER PAPERS
Scope and content SMITH H
Covering dates [1914-1922]
Availability Open Document, Open Description, Normal Closure before FOI Act: 30 years  
Former reference (Department) 163461
Held by The National Archives, Kew  


And Bob's me auntie (I have some weird family history.... wink.gif )



Also, note that Herbert Kendall Percy Smith has a P/ number next to his name - these are files retained by the MOD due to later service.



Hope this helps somebody,
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 03:49 PM

Steve, As helpful as allways. Thanks for the information smile.gif

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 03:52 PM

Thank you Steve, I hadn't realised this was available.
This is very, very good!

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 03:57 PM

The files are so big to download it's quicker to drive to London and look them up on microfilm!

Beware trying to convert from an officer's "long number" to a WO339 reference. It does not, in general, work.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 04:30 PM

As Chris indicates, the files are very large and download very slowly.  It took me most of an afternoon to download them all and I have Broadband through cable.  Regards, Dick Flory

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 06:19 PM

However slow Chris, it beats getting there from Germany! tongue.gif   I'll just set mine on an overnight action.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 05:44 PM

They don't load that fast from the terminals in Kew.  It's a shame that the digitized stuff is now available exclusively online as flipping through the folders would be, in some cases, quicker.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 05:47 PM

Another tip (that everyone may already know) is that while you can type WO95/1234 into the catalogue and find a record, if you omit the space after the WO when browsing online docs it won't find anything.  Their IT system is 'quirky', shall we say?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 09:36 PM

I have been using it for a couple of months and found it useful, however some of the file references have defeated me.

Can anyone tell me what AE/337 say in WO338 leads one to. There are a number of these " AE/" references up to several thousand instead of the more conventional all numeric.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 08:56 PM

Hi, as mentioned by Chris Baker above, this index is also available on microfilm at the National Archives.  I'm no fan of microfilm, but for those who can get to Kew it sounds as though it might be quicker than using the online version.  Either way this index is tremendously useful for finding officers' papers.  Unfortunately they can be quite hard to interpret with some pretty strange codes cropping up.  For instance, you sometimes find an "IA" which indicates the officer served in the Indian army.  In these cases service records are normally available in the British Library.

Good searching, John



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