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#1 corisande

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 02:09 PM

A post was made yesterday on this thread about 4 men from RDF getting Serbian Order of White Eagle

I cannot find any mention on LG nor can I find ORs getting this award. Anyone have any thoughts here

I have added here the OPs newspaper cutting to clarify what is going on

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I appreciate that the award may not necessarily been for service in Salonika, but there were 2 battalions of RDF there, and it would have been logical for them to have got it in Salonika.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 03:31 PM

Not sure this is the same man, but 6063 Sjt (later CSM) William Cummins's service record is on Ancestry (service no. not indexed, but born abt 1881, Marborough, Queens). Images #16237 & 16240-1 list his Serbian decoration as being the Cross of Karageorge (with Swords) 1st Class, by "RO 336 dated 2/12/16". Ancestry image 16248 says it was promulgated in the LG of 15/2/17.
Looks quite similar to the White Eagle http://en.wikipedia....r_of_Karageorge especially from a distance in a grainy photo... :)
He also won the DCM (LG 16/5/16) & Bar ("by FM CinC", but no date).
EDIT: And 2 MiDs (5/11/15 and 5/5/16).

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 03:50 PM

Thanks very much. That seems to be Cummins.

As you say quite similar. My life seems to be full of grainy photos at the moment !

Amazing really how many of assorted Serbia medals were handed out.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 06:44 PM

Adrian
Thank you for the input.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 06:55 PM

Sjt Cummins has 2 medals up, but clipping mentions that Private Hayes was also awarded the CdG... should that actually read "first mentioned" rather than "last"?
Or did Private Hayes get his CdG at another presentation?

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:42 PM

It appears that the medal that the four men in the photo are wearing is the Serbian Medal for Military Merit. Dick Flory

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 08:12 PM

This group was sold in 2008,unfortunately I was not the buyer.

http://www.dnw.co.uk...so?itemid=67065

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 08:37 PM

I admit to being lost with these medals. Can anyone tell me

1. Am I correct in assuming that the Serbs would have given a "job lot" of a specified number of medals to the British Army

2. How did the British decide to award then - what was the mechanism

3. I know that with say the Russian medals, they could be, and usually were, awarded for action on the Western Front. Was this the case with the Serbian medals?

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 01:39 PM

I admit to being lost with these medals. Can anyone tell me

1. Am I correct in assuming that the Serbs would have given a "job lot" of a specified number of medals to the British Army

2. How did the British decide to award then - what was the mechanism

3. I know that with say the Russian medals, they could be, and usually were, awarded for action on the Western Front. Was this the case with the Serbian medals?


1. Yes
2. No one seems to know how or why or what, although a lot of foreign awards were to members of Corps & appear to be their bravery & meritorious awards rather than giving MM's & DCM's
3. Most of Serbian awards were for service in Salonika

R Hayes Fr CdG 24.2.16
W Cummins as Adrian stated
W Carroll Russian Medal of St George 1st cl
Leonard I have nothing

I agree with Dick on Serb medal.

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 01:46 PM

Thanks for that help

Just to clarify "W Carroll Russian Medal of St George 1st cl " - that is in addition to his Serbian medal ?

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 02:02 PM

These are the only awards I have for them, no serb at all

I have a data base I have been working on for approx 10 years,that has over 37.000 names that are gazetted for foreign awards for the WW1 period. I do not claim that it is 100% but must be very close.
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Posted 19 February 2011 - 02:24 PM

37.000 names sheesh, that is some work

I tried to do that for the Royal Dublin Fusiliers. It about the same number, but realised that I was not up to the job for the whole regiment :blush:

So if these 4 men were not gazetted, I assume that they did get the awards, but they would have been "unofficial". Sort of handed out in the field, but never got to LG or HM the King being graciously moved to permit them to wear such awards?

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 02:37 PM

There are only 6 (six) gazetted Serbian Medal for Military Merit and all the men served in Salonika.

I am still adding other awards such as these four & noting Unofficial

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 04:17 PM

OK thanks for clarifying that.

I thought I was losing my touch with plumbing the depths of LG when I could not find them

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:01 AM

Hello,

I an researching an Australian soldier who was awarded the Order of the White Eagle 5th class. How can I find out about the action that brought him the award please?

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 01:26 PM

Hello,

I an researching an Australian soldier who was awarded the Order of the White Eagle 5th class. How can I find out about the action that brought him the award please?


Hi Anne-skinner

You can some times get citations and / or recommendations for Aussie medals from the AWM site, if you do not have access to this, give us his name, number & unit & I will see if they have survived.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 02:14 PM

The Serbian Order of the White Eagle.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 10:23 PM

Is your Australian soldier:
1. Major EE Herrod - http://cas.awm.gov.a...RELAWM16799.009
2. Capt C A Clowes - http://cas.awm.gov.a...em/REL32877.014
3. Capt H R Rush - http://www.awm.gov.a...on.asp?p=403572



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