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Posted 06 July 2011 - 11:27 PM
Posted 07 July 2011 - 02:05 AM
The point I made in 2009 from Robin's book about Oberst von Lünenschloss order, commanding officer of the 12th Bavarian Reserve Infantry Brigade, comprising RIR 16 and RIR 17 (who were opposite the 2/7th Warwicks) which said on 24th July 1916 that any English dead in and behind the trenches are not to be taken to Fournes, but buried in a suitable place between the support lines and the 2nd line position is still a point for further research..
Posted 07 July 2011 - 09:55 AM
The 12th Reserve Infantry Brigade order signed by Weissmiller was timed and dated at 6.45pm (German time) on 24 July — 5 whole days after the short-lived British break-in to RIR 17's positions on the evening of 19 July.
... if any British soldiers were taken to Pheasant Wood then it was obviously AFTER this order was given.
Posted 07 July 2011 - 06:38 PM
Your point is well made. I've just had a look back through Corfield's book and a few things stood out about this.
Firstly, as Corfield notes, if any British soldiers were taken to Pheasant Wood then it was obviously AFTER this order was given. By that time, the Australian dead would have already been placed in the mass graves at Pheasant Wood so any later arriving British would be in the top layer. It would be very interesting to find out in what position within the graves the two remaining 'unidentified British' soldiers were located. If found among the lower layers of bodies, then we must begin to question the chances of them really being British.
Secondly, by the time this order was given the mass graves at Pheasant Wood had already been dug and being used for Australian dead. Why then does the order not specifically direct the remaining British dead be transported to Fasanenwaldchen. Instead it just suggests a "suitable place between the support lines and the 2nd line position". To my way of thinking, this strongly implies that the British weren't taken to Pheasant Wood but that another site was was created once Fournes became full.
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 08:53 AM
Is this the only known Fromelles burial in the UK ?
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Posted 11 July 2011 - 04:57 PM
If it was carried out are there post war records showing any recovery of bodies between the support lines and the 2nd line positions? Would that be the CWGC records?
I would suggest that you contact the CWGC direct. The archivists are very helpful in answering queries and will undoubtedly assist you with relevant burial returns.
A word of warning though, it may take some time for them to respond depending on the volume of queries that they are having to contend with.
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Oh my ... one look at that and my eyes glazed over!!!
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Posted 15 July 2011 - 06:16 PM
As an afterthought it did occur to me that if you submit the co-ordinates for the squares either side of the Wick Salient from the British line right through to the German second line then at the very least you should secure a good indication of the numbers recovered in NML.