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Posted 10 February 2014 - 01:20 PM
Hello. My research on this topic is Norman Wilson Green, Second Lieutenant 4th Batt, East Yorkshire Regiment who presumably died in the Second Battle of the Scarpe, 23/4/1917 during the arras offensive.
Can anyone give me any further info' on this Reg on that day please? Thanks in advance. sheilmar
Posted 12 February 2014 - 08:38 AM
2nd Line 4th Battalion C Coy 29 February 1916 –
Reported Missing May 1917 –
Previously reported missing now Killed Casualty List Hull Daily News 8 December 1917 -
Second Lieutenant Norman Green East Yorkshire Regiment, who is amongst those reported missing. is the second son of Alderman Norman Green, a former Lord Mayor of York. He is 21 years of age, was educated at Archbishop Holgate's School, and before the war was with his father in the business of Norman Green and Sons, Ltd. The young officer had seen much fighting on the Western Front, but had hitherto passed through unscathed.
The battalion suffered very heavily.
Busy at the moment will post diary extracts later.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 10:33 AM
Thank you so much for this Charles. I will see if I can find the original to add to my narrative of this young man. Regards, sheilmar.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 06:36 PM
The 2nd Battle of the Scarpe 23/24th April 1917
On the night of 21st April the 1/4th East Yorkshire's on the right and 4th Green Howard's on the left, moved up into the front line. The 50th Division at this period was holding a sector of the line west of Cherisy and east of Wancourt, with the 30th and 15th Divisions on the right and left respectively. The 150th Brigade was the assaulting Brigade of the 50th Division, the objective being the high ground north-west of Cherisy.
Zero hour was fixed at 4.45 a.m.
The jumping-off line of the 1/4th East Yorkshire's was astride the Wancourt to Cherisy road, with the right flank of the Battalion in the neighbourhood of the ruins of Wancourt Tower. There was only a single trench here in which to accommodate the first line, the second line was lying down close behind the parados.
Three Companies " B," " A " and " D " (from right to left) were to make the attack with " C " in support. Each attacking company had two platoons in the first line and two in the second, In this formation the Battalion was ready to advance behind the barrage which opened at 4.45 a.m. Four minutes before the attack was timed to begin a couple of tanks nosed their way to the front and moved slowly in a north-easterly direction.
At Zero there was a crash as the barrage opened from 84 18pdrs. And 30 4.5 howitzers. The waiting troops jumped to their feet and moved off towards the enemy’s positions. Within two minutes of the advance red stars from the enemy's trenches began to burst in the sky over the Divisional front and soon the German guns were heavily shelling the line of advance.
A hundred yards distant from their own trenches the East Yorkshiremen ran into the British barrage, which was moving too slowly, and at once serious casualties were suffered. In the two flank Companies it was not long before every officer had been either killed or wounded, whilst many NCOs and other ranks had been hit. The enemy's machine gun fire also began to make itself felt. With every officer and nearly all their N.C.O. leaders gone, the flank Companies were in some confusion and there was a slight loss of direction. " A ” Company in the centre, however, pushed on unchecked and reached a point about 100 yards east of a small wood along the Guemappe-Cherisy road. This Company had lost heavily in the advance, for the wood had been held in some strength by the enemy and had to be cleared before the advance could be continued. When this was accomplished the survivors of " A " pushed on and dug in cast of the Wood. A party of “ B " reached the first objective and dug in, facing south east towards Cherisy. Meanwhile a mixed party of men of " D," " A" and " B” Companies had encountered a battery of 77 mm. guns, just south-west of the wood, which were promptly captured. The situation of the East Yorkshiremen was now serious. Only three officers and two hundred other ranks remained. The Battalion was out of touch with the 4th Green Howard's on the left, whilst neither the 30th Division, on the right, nor the 15th, on the left, had made progress. The 1/4th and the Green Howard's were therefore " in the air " and exposed to hostile counter—attacks which would certainly be made ere long.
About 7 a.m. the enemy launched a vigorous counter-attack from the direction of Cherisy and from Vis-en-Artois, The Green Howard's, on the left of the 1/4th East Yorkshire's who had already lost heavily, were forced back by the weight of this attack, leaving the East Yorkshiremen in a desperate situation. The Diary of the 1/4th states that : " The Battalion was quickly surrounded," but apparently not all the officers or men were captured, for later the Brigade reports that the 1/4th East Yorkshire's " are back in original line." Such was the situation just before noon. The guns captured from the enemy were retaken by him, but he had lost some hundreds of prisoners of whom the 1/4th took many The total casualties in killed, wounded and missing suffered by the 1/4th East Yorkshire's were I7 officers and 352 other ranks. The remnants of the Battalion on reaching their original trenches were placed under the orders of the 8th D.L.I. and remained in the front line until midnight when Brigade H.Q. ordered them back into reserve. At 9 p.m. on 24th the Battalion, or all that remained of it, marched back to Arras and billeted in the town. On the 25th the trench strength of the Battalion, including details left in Arras during the operations, was only 10 officers and 215 other ranks.
Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:46 AM
This is terrific Charles. Thank you so much. sheilmar
Posted 20 February 2014 - 01:22 AM
Can I just ask, will it be ok as far as copyright is concerned if I include any or all of the info, maps etc you send me, in my narrative of the men I am researching? I am putting it all on disc eventually & giving it to St Martin le Grand Church in York, along with one printed copy of all the material I collect on each man. I have volunteered to do this so I am not making anything out of it eg, I am not a professional researcher (as I am sure everyone has guessed by now!!!)
Don't want to end up in the pokey for breaking any copyrights.
Please advise. regards, sheilmar
Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:49 AM
Hi Again. I cannot find out when Norman Wilson green enlisted. can anyone help me please? Just would like the date for the narrative but have trawled through everything I can find but can only find his death & your accounts of how that came about. Regards, sheilmar
Posted 25 February 2014 - 11:15 AM
I would say he joined the East Riding Yorkshire Yeomanry in August September 1914, he was awarded the Territorial Force War Medal so before 30 September 1914.
There are ERYY experts on the forum they may be able to be more exact. (Neil)