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[waldo]

Greetings.

I'm studying the attacks of the Russian 4th & 5th Armies in Poland in August 1914.  I find the following:

4th Army:

Four cavalry divisions have 12 guns - 36 short of full strength
XIV Corps has 84 guns - 48 short of full strength
XVI Corps has 96 guns - 12 short of full strength

The Polish offensive was launched at the behest of Russia's allies in the West before the Russian armies were fully ready.

Does anyone know what artillery batteries were missing?
Thanks,

Waldo


Here's the above units at full strengthAt full strength:

13th Cavalry Division
13th Horse Artillery Battalion: 12 guns
:26th Horse Artillery Battery
27th Horse Artillery Battery

14th Cavalry Division
12th Horse Artillery Battalion: 12 guns
21st horse Artillery battery
23rd horse Artillery battery

Ural Cossack Division
7th Don Cossack Artillery Battalion: 12 guns
14th Don Cossack battery
15th Don Cossack battery

3rd Don Cossack Division
4th Don Cossack Artillery Battalion: 12 guns
8th Don Cossack battery
9th Don Cossack battery

XIV Corps  Full strength: 132 guns, but only 84 guns were present
18th Artillery Brigade 48 guns
45th Artillery Brigade 48 guns
2d Rifle Artillery Battalion 24 guns
14th Mortar Artillery Battalion 12 guns

XVI Corps Full strength: 108 guns, but only 96 guns were present
41st Artillery Brigade 48 guns
47th Artillery Brigade 48 guns
16th Mortar Artillery Battalion 12 guns

[jwsleser]

Waldo

I am not sure what information you are using. What is your source that the armies were short guns?

Jeff

[waldo]

Jeff,

The source for my information is



Белой А. Галицийская битва (Beloy, A., Battle of Galicia).  It's online here:



http://www.grwar.ru/library/Beloy-Galicia/index.html?PHPSESSID=82f98af05ddcf4f3d298d9714bb878dd



I think I have resolved the issue.  The source text reads "462" guns while the map accompanying the source reads "426" guns.  The latter figure is more consistent with what the army would have had at full strength.  The XIV Corps guns figure of 84 apparently does not include the 45^th ID divisional artillery (the division was not part of the corps in peacetime) but does include the extra howitzer battalion allocated to the army but attached to the 45^th Division (26^th Mortar Artillery Battalion) when XIV Corps was transferred to 9th Army.



I'm working on an OOB for the SW Front at war beginning.  I could post my work here for constructive criticism.  Would that be acceptable?

Waldo

jwsleser, on 14 November 2011 - 08:52 PM, said:

Waldo

I am not sure what information you are using. What is your source that the armies were short guns?

Jeff

[5th Horseman]

Waldo,

I bet you have seen this, but I will post it for those that haven't and may be interested in the Southwest Front OOB.

http://www.grwar.ru/...cia/BG_016.html

Scott

[waldo]

5th Horseman, on 18 December 2011 - 11:35 PM, said:

Waldo,

I bet you have seen this, but I will post it for those that haven't and may be interested in the Southwest Front OOB.

http://www.grwar.ru/...cia/BG_016.html

Scott

Thank you.  That's a very useful site.

waldo