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[Arthur]

KENDO, on 09 February 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

Hi Arthur

Can you please help with the colours of following queries

11 W York
2 R Irish Rifles
2/4 - 2/5 E Lanc
2/5 - 2/10 Manchester
237 MG Coy - horiz oval
92 MG Coy
93 MG Coy- both are X's with rounded ends
94 MG Coy - circle
247 MG Coy - X
232 MG Coy - X in square
193 MG Coy - X ith shell point downwards i middle
1/6 Cheshire

than you for your help with all of your assistance

Best regards

KENDO

Hello Kendo,

My source gives the following information:

11 W York = Diamond Yellow 4”X2½” Felt. Worn on Back
2 R Irish Rifles = Disc Khaki with Shamrock Green Embroidered on Felt
2/4 E Lanc = Square Dark Green 2” Felt
2/5 E Lanc  =  Square Red 1¾" Felt
2/5  Manchester = Disc Green 1¾" Felt
2/10  Manchester = Square  Black 1¾" Cotton
237 MG Coy - horiz oval = Dark Blue
92 MG Coy = Red worn below Bde Sign rounded ends
93 MG Coy- both are X's with rounded ends.= Dark Blue squared ends according to source!
94 MG Coy – circle = Disc Black
247 MG Coy – X = Green
232 MG Coy - X in square = White Cross on Dark Blue Square
193 MG Coy - X ith shell point downwards i middle = Red Bomb on Dark Blue Cross
1/6 Cheshire = Diamond Black with smaller Diamond Red Felt on a felt

Regards
Arthur

[Arthur]

Hello Kendo,

Further to my previous mail, I have found another formation sign for:

2nd/5th Manchester = Disc Black 1½” diameter Felt.

Regards
Arthur

[KENDO]

Hi Arthur

Thank you for all the info - tho i did give wrong bn number on two of them - cant read my own typing !!!. Should have been:-
1 R Irish rifles - should be square and quartered
1/5 Cheshire - pioneer bn of 56 Div
also do you have info on
2/6
2/7
2/8
2/9 - all Manch

Thank you
Best regards

KENDO

[Arthur]

KENDO, on 09 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Hi Arthur

Thank you for all the info - tho i did give wrong bn number on two of them - cant read my own typing !!!. Should have been:-
1 R Irish rifles - should be square and quartered
1/5 Cheshire - pioneer bn of 56 Div
also do you have info on
2/6
2/7
2/8
2/9 - all Manch

Thank you
Best regards

KENDO

Hello Kendo,

My source of information gives the following:

1st Royal Irish Rifles Square quartered Dark Green [Top left] & Black

1st/5th Cheshire Regiment Nothing found

2nd/6th Manchester Regiment Disc Red 1” Felt
2nd/7th Manchester Regiment Disc Dark Yellow 1½” Felt
2nd/8th Manchester Regiment Nothing found
2nd/9th Manchester Regiment Square Yellow 1¾" Cotton


Regards
Arthur

[KENDO]

Hi Arthur

Thank you for info. Can only assume 2/8 Manch is a black disc - going on the colour sequence of the other brigade in the division.

Can you please help me with the following:-

2 West York
21 West York

23 MG Coy
24 MG Coy
25 MG Coy
68 MG Coy
69 MG Coy
70 MG Coy
113 MG Coy
114 MG Coy
115 MG Coy
194 MG Coy
201 MG Coy
202 MG Coy
203 MG Coy
204 MG Coy
208 MG Coy
212 MG Coy
213 MG Coy
218 MG Coy

23 TMB
24 TMB
25 TMB
94 TMB
113 TMB
114 TMB
115 TMB
197 TMB
198 TMB
199 TMB

A tall order but am sure they are all in pamphlet. Thank you for all your assistance in my queries Arthur.

Best regards

KENDO

[Arthur]

KENDO, on 10 February 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

Hi Arthur

Thank you for info. Can only assume 2/8 Manch is a black disc - going on the colour sequence of the other brigade in the division.

Can you please help me with the following:-

2 West York
21 West York

23 MG Coy
24 MG Coy
25 MG Coy
68 MG Coy
69 MG Coy
70 MG Coy
113 MG Coy
114 MG Coy
115 MG Coy
194 MG Coy
201 MG Coy
202 MG Coy
203 MG Coy
204 MG Coy
208 MG Coy
212 MG Coy
213 MG Coy
218 MG Coy

23 TMB
24 TMB
25 TMB
94 TMB
113 TMB
114 TMB
115 TMB
197 TMB
198 TMB
199 TMB

A tall order but am sure they are all in pamphlet. Thank you for all your assistance in my queries Arthur.

Best regards

KENDO

Hello Kendo,

66 Inf Div:
197 Bde Diamond green/red/yellow/black
198 Bde Square green/red/yellow/black
199 Bde Disc green/red/yellow/2nd/8th?

It is fair to assume that 2nd/8th had a black disc going by the make up of the other Bdes! However, if that was the case, then the
2nd/5th Manchester Regt would have had the green disc at that time instead of the black disc!

Perhaps someone out on the Forum with more knowledge on the 66th Inf Div, or the Manchester Regt can help you further!

My source gives the following information:

2 West York
Arc Maroon/Buff/Maroon 3"x1" Felt
21 West York
Diamond Red with letter P Orange Felt on felt

23 TMB
Arc Green with Grenade silhouette Black Felt on felt
24 TMB
Disc White with Grenade silhouette Blue Embroidered on felt
25 TMB
Square Yellow with Grenade silhouette Dark Blue Embroidered on felt
94 TMB
Disc White Worn below Bde sign Square halved horizontally Red & White Felt

23 MG Coy
Arc Green with Cross Red diagonal Felt on felt
24 MG Coy
Disc White with Crossed M/guns and Crown Red Embroidered on felt
25 MG Coy
Square Yellow with Crossed M/guns and Crown Red Embroidered on felt
68 MG Coy
Square Dark Green 1½" Felt
69 MG Coy
Square Green 1¼" Felt
70 MG Coy
Square Red 1½" Felt
113 MG Coy
Inverted Triangle Black 1½" sides Velvet
114 MG Coy
Disc Black1½" diameter Felt
115 MG Coy
Square Black 1½"  Felt
194 MG Coy
Square Yellow 1¼" Felt
202 MG Coy
Diamond Blue 3"X2" Cotton
203 MG Coy
Blue Square 2" Cotton
204 MG Coy
Disc Dark Red 1½" diameter Felt
208 MG Coy
Cross Yellow diagonal 2½" Felt
212 MG Coy
Cross Dark Blue diagonal 2" Felt
213 MG Coy
Cross Red diagonal 3" Felt
218 MG Coy
Disc [small] Red with Crossed M/guns Black Embroidered on felt

No information on the following
113 TMB
114 TMB
115 TMB
197 TMB
198 TMB
199 TMB
201 MG Coy

Regards
Arthur

[KENDO]

Hi Arthur
Thank you once again for info - have done more in the last two weeks than have done in a long time.

Quite surprised that the pamphlet did not have the follwing TMB's. I have them listed as following:-

38 Div
113 TMB - triangle
114 TMB - circle
115 TMB - square

66 Div
197 TMB - diamond
198 TMB - square
199 TMB - circle

Can you just confirm colours of arc for 2 Scottish Rifles - I have them down as blue/black/green. Is this correct ?

Best regards

KENDO

[Arthur]

KENDO, on 10 February 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

Hi Arthur
Thank you once again for info - have done more in the last two weeks than have done in a long time.

Quite surprised that the pamphlet did not have the follwing TMB's. I have them listed as following:-

38 Div
113 TMB - triangle
114 TMB - circle
115 TMB - square

66 Div
197 TMB - diamond
198 TMB - square
199 TMB - circle

Can you just confirm colours of arc for 2 Scottish Rifles - I have them down as blue/black/green. Is this correct ?

Best regards

KENDO

Hello Kendo,

My source of information gives the following:

2nd Cameronians Arc Blue/Black/Green Hessian

Yes I do have them, and I found the information after I had sent the previous information last night.

38 Div

113 TMB - Triangle Blue-Grey 2” sides Felt
114 TMB - Disc Blue-Grey 2” diameter Felt
115 TMB - Square Blue 1¼" Felt

66 Div

197 TMB - Diamond Blue 3"X2" Felt
198 TMB - Square Blue over Vertical Rectangle Khaki with Grenade Blue Embroidered on felt
199 TMB - Disc Blue 1¼" diameter Cotton

Regards

Arthur

[Old Tom]

Thanks for information about 18 Div TM, I live and learn.

Old Tom

[KENDO]

Arthur, on 11 February 2012 - 07:20 AM, said:

Hello Kendo,

My source of information gives the following:

2nd Cameronians Arc Blue/Black/Green Hessian

Yes I do have them, and I found the information after I had sent the previous information last night.

38 Div

113 TMB - Triangle Blue-Grey 2" sides Felt
114 TMB - Disc Blue-Grey 2" diameter Felt
115 TMB - Square Blue 1¼" Felt

66 Div

197 TMB - Diamond Blue 3"X2" Felt
198 TMB - Square Blue over Vertical Rectangle Khaki with Grenade Blue Embroidered on felt
199 TMB - Disc Blue 1¼" diameter Cotton

Regards

Arthur

Hi Arthur

Thank you for info on 38 and 66 Divs TMB's.

the fourth MG Coy of 38 Div was 176 MG Coy i dont suppose this is listed inyour source. The 66 Div did not have a fourth coy.

Best regards

KENDO

[Arthur]

Hello Kendo,

The 176th MG Coy is not listed in my source.

Regards
Arthur

[KENDO]

Hi Arthur

Did not think that one would be listed - thank you for looking.

Can you have a look for these odds and ends please to fill the gaps

2 Essex
4 Bedford
1/8 R Scots
1/7 Worc
1/8 Worc
14 Worc
2 R Irish Regt
1/5 Border
8 Border
1/4 York
1/5 York
20 DLI
9 Y & L
1/28 London
200 MG Coy
250 MG Coy

Thank you very much for your assistance

Best regards

KENDO

[Arthur]

KENDO, on 12 February 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Hi Arthur

Did not think that one would be listed - thank you for looking.

Can you have a look for these odds and ends please to fill the gaps

2 Essex
4 Bedford
1/8 R Scots
1/7 Worc
1/8 Worc
14 Worc
2 R Irish Regt
1/5 Border
8 Border
1/4 York
1/5 York
20 DLI
9 Y & L
1/28 London
200 MG Coy
250 MG Coy

Thank you very much for your assistance

Best regards

KENDO

Hello Kendo,

My source gives the following information:

2[a] Essex
Square Red 1½" Felt

2[b] Essex
Diamond Red 1½" sides Felt

4 Bedford
Bar Black with central Stripe Amber Felt e.g. ½"/¼"/½"

1/8 R Scots
Nothing found

1/7 Worc
Nothing found

1/8[a] Worc
A Coy Inverted V Blue Felt on Cotton
B Coy Inverted V Red Felt on Cotton
C Coy Inverted V Yelow Felt on Cotton
D Coy Inverted V Green Felt on Cotton

1/8[b] Worc
Diamond Green with Border White Cotton

14 Worc
A Coy Square Red 2" Cotton
B Coy Square Blue 2" Cotton
C Coy Square Yellow 2" Cotton
D Coy Square Light Green 2" Cotton

2 R Irish Regt
Nothing found

1/5 Border
Horizontal Diamond Yellow 4"X3" Cotton

8[a] Border
Rectangle Green 2½"X½" Felt Worn on collar

8[b] Border
Rectangle Green/Narrow Yellow/Purple/Narrow Yellow/Green Ribbon. Worn on the shoulder

1/4 York
Square Red 2" sides Cotton

1/5 York
Square Dark Green 2" sides Cotton

20 DLI
Nothing found

9 Y & L
Rectangle Khaki Numerals IX Black Felt on felt

1/28 London
Shoulder title Arc Grey with Black letters Artists Embroidered on felt

200 MG Coy
Nothing found

250 MG Coy
Nothing found.

Regards
Arthur

[KENDO]

Hi Arthur

once again you have helped me fill in the gaps - am slowly but surely getting there !

Best regards

KENDO

[KENDO]

Hi Arthur

Can you have a look in your source for the following - I think most of them are not in there though, but worth a try before I approach the appropiate museum.

9 Dukes
5 SWB
6 SWB
8 LN Lancs
9 LN Lancs
1/5 DLI
1/8 DLI
1/9 DLI
11 LF
11 Cheshire
13 Cheshire
11 Sher For
1/4 E York

Thank you for your help

Best regards

KENDO

[Arthur]

KENDO, on 13 February 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

Hi Arthur

Can you have a look in your source for the following - I think most of them are not in there though, but worth a try before I approach the appropiate museum.

9 Dukes
5 SWB
6 SWB
8 LN Lancs
9 LN Lancs
1/5 DLI
1/8 DLI
1/9 DLI
11 LF
11 Cheshire
13 Cheshire
11 Sher For
1/4 E York

Thank you for your help

Best regards

KENDO

Hello Kendo,

I am sorry to say that this is the last check for a little while my man as I have very busy time ahead of me. I do hope that the information that I've supplied so far has helped you!

My source gives the following information:

9 Dukes
Rectangle Maroon  2½"X2"  Felt

9 LN Lancs
Square Navy Blue 1¼" Felt

1/5 DLI
Square Blue 2" Cotton

1/8 DLI
Diamond Blue

1/9 DLI
Diamond Green

11 Cheshire
Square Khaki Cross "X" Red Embrodered on Silk

1/4 E York
[a]Square Dark Green 2" Felt
[b]Diamond Green with numeral "4" White Felt on felt
[c]Diamond halved horizontally White over Green Felt. Worn on helmet

For those units not mentioned here from your list there was nothing found, that is with the exception of the 11th Bn Lancashire Fusiliers which I've already given you that information.

Regards
Arthur

[KENDO]

Hi Arthur

I would like to thank you so much for all the assistance you have given me over the past weeks, your help has been invaluable in helping me construct the battle schemes of British divisions of the war. There is still much to be done especially with those divisions serving outside the Western Front theatre but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel with the help you have provided me. Once again many thanks

With very best regards

KENDO