21 replies to this topic

[BEN MCKINNON]

Hi I have a group to 7th hussars and was wondering if anyone knew if this man was entitled to his delhi durbar

his name was PTE  charles phillips service no 5144, can anyone help please ?, he also has a 1914/15 trio too.

regards and thanks

Ben

[punjab612]

Hi Ben

Your man is not listed in the Delhi Durbar roll in Peter Drucker's book.  The only entitlement to the 7th Hussars was for 5 Officers with no ORs being entitled.

Peter

[BEN MCKINNON]

Thank you very much colonel, i do not suppose he could have been serving with another unit  during this period ?, ie the 10th Hussars

regards

Ben

[Hebburn Jon]

Hi Ben

ive checked the Delhi Durbar medal roll and he isnt on the list with the 10th Hussars nor any other cavalry regt.

looks like he isnt entitled to the medal. This makes you wonder if he is entitled to the other unamed medals also

i see that the group is listed on ebay at the moment

http://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1423.l2649

[auchonvillerssomme]

The medal puporting to be the George V Coronation medal is wearing the ribbon of the 1935 Jubilee. If he had been awarded the Delhi Durbar and 1911 Coronation he would have a clasp, Delhi.

[auchonvillerssomme]

Plus the seller is incorrect when he states because he was awarded the LSGC medal he would have been awarded the Coronation, for 2 reasons, one that didn't happen, 2, he wouldn't have had the LSGC which is named to the IAOC in 1911.

[Hebburn Jon]

Ive looked for his entitlement for the Indian general service medal - bar Waziristan 1919-21 usually shows up on the MIC but not this one. Had a search on ancestry but to no prevail someone else may have better luck than me.

[BEN MCKINNON]

To all, Thank you very much for the information, I thought that there was something not right about the group,
best regards  Ben

[BEN MCKINNON]

Thanks again guys, just one person i was wondering if you could help me out with, have just purchased which i think is a very nice group to 8280 WILLIAM JONES , SOUTH LANCS REGIMENT.
tHE GROUP HAS THE 1914/15 TRIO, IGS 1 bar Afghanistan 1919, ww2 pair and a Dehli Durbar named to him also.

I believe that the 1st battalion South Lancs served in India prior to and during the great war and in the post war period, can anyone tell me is this chap entitled to his Dehli Durbar ? , and does anyone have any further info on this man or his regiment.

kind regards

Ben

[rflory]

8280 Pte W Jones, 1st Bn, S Lancs is on the British Army roll for the Delhi Durbar Medal, 1911.  Dick Flory

[Hebburn Jon]

BEN MCKINNON, on 21 February 2012 - 03:43 AM, said:

Thanks again guys, just one person i was wondering if you could help me out with, have just purchased which i think is a very nice group to 8280 WILLIAM JONES , SOUTH LANCS REGIMENT.
tHE GROUP HAS THE 1914/15 TRIO, IGS 1 bar Afghanistan 1919, ww2 pair and a Dehli Durbar named to him also.

I believe that the 1st battalion South Lancs served in India prior to and during the great war and in the post war period, can anyone tell me is this chap entitled to his Dehli Durbar ? , and does anyone have any further info on this man or his regiment.

kind regards

Ben

Hi Ben
i was watching this group on Ebay also.
  you may know or may not know that the 14/15 Star shouldnt be with the group as his MIC shows BWM and VM and IGS only. He is on the Delhi Durbar roll as mentioned thou.
the star is a renamed medal added to the group at a later date or a self awarded medal by Jones himself.

[BEN MCKINNON]

Thanks Jon, really appreciate that, did not know that, he must have been 1st battalion, went into reserve and recalled ww1 to join the unit in India. Still even without the 1914/15 star it is a great group. I think he may not be entitled to the ww2 medals as would have probably been around 47 at the start of WW2, having qualified for the dehli durbar in 1911. By the way did his MIC have any other info.

regards

Ben

[Hebburn Jon]

MIC had no other units other than South Lancs.
I also thought that the WW2 medals may of been added .

Is it Delhi Durbar groups that you collect?

[BEN MCKINNON]

I have tended to collect British/ indian army groups around the first war period the dehli durbar has just happened to spring up a couple of times, its good to have it in a group, especially to the units that took part in the durbar itself.
thanks again for your help
Ben

[Hebburn Jon]

i see the phillips group has been relisted

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item2c63629beb

imho the seller is flogging dead horse

[BEN MCKINNON]

Yes Jon, i think that the Phillips group has been put together, it is often difficult to buy a large group on the spot especially without any proof of service, i think that the value of the named medals in the group is about 300...as you can probably discount the 1911, 1935 and WW2 pair as being his, ..

Ben

[Hebburn Jon]

Hi Ben

I dont like the look also of the naming on the LSGCM just doesnt look right to me maybe wrong. would like to see the naming on the IGS as the group could be re-named not sayng it is just it maybe.

Jon

[BEN MCKINNON]

Hi Jon, i think that the group has been put together to sell, you are right the LSGC does not look right.

By the way if you have time could you look to see if there is any more info on 8280 William Jones South Lancs for me, i could not see any more.

thanks

Ben

[Hebburn Jon]

BEN MCKINNON, on 01 March 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

Hi Jon, i think that the group has been put together to sell, you are right the LSGC does not look right.

By the way if you have time could you look to see if there is any more info on 8280 William Jones South Lancs for me, i could not see any more.

thanks

Ben

Hi Ben

i couldnt find any other info regarding Jones South Lancs

[BEN MCKINNON]

Good afternoon all, I have acquired a very nice medal, an Igs Afghanistan 1919 to LT Col J Lindsay Smith S&TC, I had a Trawl through the gazettes and came up with the following, commissioned 1895 gentleman cadet, Lieut 1898, Captain 4th lancers 1904, Major 1913,supply and transport, believe that this was camel corp Multan, and last gazette entry was 1928 CBE Colonel deputy director supply and transport northern command India. Just wondering if anyone had further info on him, ie ww1 entitlement, or either of the durbar's held or even his retirement date. As I seem to have run into a dead end.

Regards

Ben

[SPOF]

Hi Ben

If you need regular access to the Delhi Durbar rolls and don't have Ancestry, you can download the roll from here for free.

Glen

[BEN MCKINNON]

Thanks Glen, looks like he was entitled to a WW1 Pair only, nothing came up regarding the Durbar, w as not sure if that was on the same site or not, but was a help all the same, cheers for that.
Ben