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#1 MartinBennitt

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 02:46 PM

AFP reporting today that the remains of up to 21 German soldiers have been found in an underground bunker complex at Carspach near Mulhouse destroyed by French shelling in March 1918.
Called the Killianstollen, it lies up to six metres underground and was rediscovered about a year ago.
A total of 34 Germans were killed in the shelling but only 13 were dug out at the time. The names of the remainder are known but it will be virtually impossible to identify them individually.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 02:50 PM

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 03:13 PM

Second that :poppy:

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 03:39 PM

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 04:17 PM

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 04:39 PM

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 04:45 PM

More (in German, with pics) here

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 04:54 PM

Roel,

Good link I just googled the web address & translated. Here it is,

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 05:40 PM

Thanks Roel, can't pretend to understand much but the Französisches Flugzeug looks pretty Englisches to me.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 08:15 PM

Gelbkreuzschießen?

Yellow Cross shooting...mustard gas shells?

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 06:22 AM

That's remarkable, what a great story. Posted Image

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 06:40 AM

And what a great piece of organised excavation!

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Posted 14 October 2011 - 03:46 PM

Here are the latest pictures from the excavation. click on "Zu den Fotos"

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 01:13 PM

Here are the latest pictures from the excavation. click on "Zu den Fotos"


Thank you egbert!

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:56 PM

More on the find, in English.

German Remains Found In Alsace

Do we have all the names? This article gives us a few:

Musketeer Martin Heidrich from Schönfeld in Saxony (age 20)
Lance Corporal Harry Bierkamp from Hamburg (age 22)
Sergeant August Hütten, from Aachen (age 37)

All the men apparently were with the 6th Company, 94th Reserve Infantry Division.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 03:48 PM

Thank you, Daniel.

That's rather better than one translation I came across, which translated 'un abri militaire allemand détruit par un obus français' into 'a military shelter destroyed by a German shell' , which completely changed the story! (I suppose they thought something like "a shelter military the Germans destroyed by a shell" conveniently ignoring 'français'.) Google Translate has a lot to answer for.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 05:37 AM

Here are the latest pictures from the excavation. click on "Zu den Fotos"


Thanks Egbert!

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 07:35 AM

Thanks Egbert!

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And I thank you for pointing out the first link to me.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 01:13 PM

From the weltkriegsopher site:

Wir erinnern an:
Nachname Heidrich
Vorname Martin

geb. am 31.10.1897
Geburtsort Schönfeld / Sachsen
Dienstgrad / Beruf Musketier
Erkennungsmarke
Truppenteil Res.-Inf.-Rgt. Nr.94, 6.Komp.
Todes-/Vermisstendatum 18.03.1918
Todesland Frankreich
Todes- / Vermisstenort bei Carspach (Elsaß)
Todesart verschüttet
Erstbestattungsort
Letzte Ruhestätte/Stadt Carspach-Stollen
(Klicken Sie auf den Link für nähere Informationen)
└> dort Grablage Kameradengrab
1.Denkmal/Verlustliste RIR 94
(Klicken Sie auf den Link für nähere Informationen)
└> dort 1.mal verzeichnet im Online-Gedenkbuch
Weitere Infos
letzter Wohnort
Straße
RIR 94: Aufgestellt Anfang August 1914 in Weimar und Eisenach.
Quelle: Regimentsgeschichte.

Nachname Bierkamp
Vorname Harry

geb. am 18.01.1896
Geburtsort Hamburg
Dienstgrad / Beruf Gefreiter
Erkennungsmarke
Truppenteil Res.-Inf.-Rgt. Nr.94, 6.Komp.
Todes-/Vermisstendatum 18.03.1918
Todesland Frankreich
Todes- / Vermisstenort bei Carspach (Elsaß)
Todesart verschüttet
Erstbestattungsort
Letzte Ruhestätte/Stadt Carspach-Stollen
(Klicken Sie auf den Link für nähere Informationen)
└> dort Grablage Kameradengrab
1.Denkmal/Verlustliste RIR 94
(Klicken Sie auf den Link für nähere Informationen)
└> dort 1.mal verzeichnet im Online-Gedenkbuch
Weitere Infos
letzter Wohnort
Straße
RIR 94: Aufgestellt Anfang August 1914 in Weimar und Eisenach.
Quelle: Regimentsgeschichte.

Nachname Hütten
Vorname August

geb. am 07.08.1880
Geburtsort Aachen / NRW
Dienstgrad / Beruf Feldwebelleutnant
Erkennungsmarke
Truppenteil Res.-Inf.-Rgt. Nr.94, 6.Komp.
Todes-/Vermisstendatum 18.03.1918
Todesland Frankreich
Todes- / Vermisstenort bei Carspach (Elsaß)
Todesart verschüttet
Erstbestattungsort
Letzte Ruhestätte/Stadt Carspach-Stollen
(Klicken Sie auf den Link für nähere Informationen)
└> dort Grablage Kameradengrab
1.Denkmal/Verlustliste RIR 94
(Klicken Sie auf den Link für nähere Informationen)
└> dort 1.mal verzeichnet im Online-Gedenkbuch
Weitere Infos
letzter Wohnort
Straße
RIR 94: Aufgestellt Anfang August 1914 in Weimar und Eisenach.
Quelle: Regimentsgeschichte.

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 10:16 PM

This article in Spiegel was at once informative and depressing:

http://m.spiegel.de/...e/a-794103.html

Not too happy to see the photo of the skeletal foot of one of the soldiers whose remains they recovered.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 04:37 PM

I wonder what will happen to the site once the archeologists have left. The wood doens't look like it will last very long.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 06:27 PM

I wonder what will happen to the site once the archeologists have left. The wood doens't look like it will last very long.

Roel

I think it will end up under the road they are building, in whole or in part.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 07:31 PM

Do we have all the names? This article gives us a few:

Musketeer Martin Heidrich from Schönfeld in Saxony (age 20)
Lance Corporal Harry Bierkamp from Hamburg (age 22)
Sergeant August Hütten, from Aachen (age 37)

-Daniel

Ah, from the page egbert first posted (not sure how I missed it!):

Vizefeldwebel Karl Becker, geb. 26. Februar 1884 in Jena,
Gefreiter Harry Bierkamp, geb. 18. Januar 1896 in Hamburg,
Gefreiter Karl Bindel, ge. 25. Juli 1888 in Stregda,
Landsturmmann August Decker (Becker), geb. 12. August 1881 in Apolda,
Ersatz-Reservist Nikolaus Fixemer, geb. 15. September in Wincheringen,
Musketier Martin Heidrich, geb. 31. Oktober 1897 in Schönfeld,
Feldwebelleutnant August Hütten, geb. 07. August 1880 in Aachen,
Musketier Wilhelm Kisselbach, geb. 29. Juli 1896 in Koblenz
Landsturmmann Friedrich Lotz, geb. 02. Januar 1886 in Vitzerode,
Landsturmmann Karl Müller, geb. 21. März 1886 in Kassel,
Gefreiter Emil Niemann, geb. 18. März 1896 in Granzin,
Wehrmann Karl Paaris, geb. 02. Februar 1882 in Schippenbeil
Ersatz-Reservist Martin Rockenkamm, geb. 19. September in Waldkappel,
Sergeant Paul Rossmann (Rohsman), geb. 14. März 1884 in Weihsenfels,
Gefreiter Josef Schmidt, geb. 19. Mai 1882 in Neisse,
Musketier Paul Seidler, geb. 18. August 1898 in Goldisthal,
Sergeant Christian Senf, geb. 24. August 1882 Eckardtshausen,
Landsturmmann Otto Stackfleth, geb. 07. Januar 1880 in Minwinkel,
Sergeant Otto Stührk, geb. 04. August 1888 in Diekhausen,
Sergeant Friedrich (Fritz) Titscher, geb. 06. September 1882 in Rockau,
Ersatz-Reservist Gotthold (Gottlieb) Wolframm, geb.m 14. Februar 1891 in Westgreussen,

Daniel

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 07:35 PM

I think it will end up under the road they are building, in whole or in part.


Problem is: the tunnel used to be under 6 meter of sand. So I assume the surface at the site used to be 6 meter higher than now, because the tunnel in the pictures is at ground level.
This tunnel isn't going to survive restoring the old situation.

Roel