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Posted 20 February 2012 - 03:58 PM
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:43 PM
... Trajan, how are they marked?
Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:30 AM
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http://greek-war-equ...gras-rifle.html ...in 1923 after the Treaty of Lausanne it accounted for 25% of the Greek rifle total...
Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:15 AM
Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:35 AM
Trajan, I find it is important to first get an understanding of the various rifles that a certain country used, before trying to get your head around all of their bayonets...
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Posted 25 February 2014 - 04:13 PM
Thought I'd revive this one to go a little further with Greek WWI bayonets! I have still not managed to find a single Steyr-made long Y(M) 1903 bayonet since the first one I saw on the market and stupidly did not buy, not knowing how uncommon they are. However, I have managed to get two more of the much rarer (uncoverted) Steyr-made Y(M) 1914 bayonets, so mustn't grumble really!
I am now in the process of extending my collection of Greek - shall we just say, for the sake of argument - '1874/1903' bayonets. These are the ones converted to fit the Greek Mannlicher-Schoenaur 1903 rifle, most usually from the Waffenfabrik Steyr made bayonets that were supplied to the Greeks from 1881 to fit their Gras rifles, although some I have seen (and have) were actually converted from French-made Gras bayonets supplied to the Greeks at a later date (after the Lebel was introduced into French service) and so have the usual French engraving on their spine. I assume that the ones I have (and my Y 1914 bayonets) were 'left behind' here after the Turkish War of Independence, but trotzdem (a very useful German expression!), they are essentially WWI bayonets. I guess that most were converted after 1914, when the Greek decision (at first) to stay neutral halted the supply of any more Steyr-made Y 1914's...
Be that as it may, they are rather odd bayonets, and I have not yet heard of any UK collector having one (Aleck?), and so it might be useful to put them on wider record. Briefly speaking, the Greek armourers did a great job in spreading and adapting the original Gras muzzle ring to fit in a lovely piece of very carefully machined metal to raise the muzzle ring to the required height with the appropriate diameter. Attached are photographs showing the distinctive filled/raised muzzle ring of these '1874/1903' bayonets and also one (courtesy of a friend Rusnak, on another forum) showing how they fit the Mannlicher-Schoenauer rifle.
PS: should have added that the conversion did involve shaving a little of the hump-back on the Gras pommel - visible in the last photograph!
Posted 26 February 2014 - 04:16 PM
Here's another photograph, posted by a friend Nick, on another forum, which shows much better the lovely job the armourers did in adapting that original Gras muzzle ring.
PS: I am shocked Nobody has yet spotted and commented on the deliberate mistake in my previous post -set there to see how many of you knew your Greek WWI bayonets! A test to see what GWF bayonet enthusiasts knew on the subject! Now pay attention out there! Don't be so occidentally oriented -if you see what I mean -as those of you who are collectors might miss bargains out there among the uninitiated!
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 02:52 PM
Here are some nicer photographs from my mate Giannis, of what he thinks is a production prototype for these modified Gras bayonets. But I am still wondering why nobody took up the challenge earlier? Am I the only GWF 'arms' member who looks beyond the Western front? Nobody else have any Greek WWI bayonets?