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[von Smallhausen]

Hello,
A catalogue of 1923 mentioned pipemusic written by Mc Killop ( or Mc Killap). Title is "Advancing on Wervicq". Now, Wervicq was liberated by the 30th Division, no Scottish units except for the 2/14th London Regiment ( London Scottish). So I was wondering if this pipemusic was written for or by this battalion/ regiment ?
Any  additional information would be gratefully received.
With kind regards from Flanders,
Jef

[HERITAGE PLUS]

Jef

Not an answer for you but here is the music:

http://www.ceolsean....8/Book08 16.pdf

Dave

[von Smallhausen]

HERITAGE PLUS, on 04 April 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

Jef

Not an answer for you but here is the music:

http://www.ceolsean....Book08%2016.pdf

Dave

Thank you Dave, that's a nice begin.
Jef

[squirrel]

Hello,

The Pipe Majors of Scottish regiments traditionally write pipe tunes to commemorate their part in some battles as do some Irish regiment's Pipe Majors and/or Drum Majors. There is a pipe tune, The Battle of The Somme for instance, and I am sure that there would be others written for WW1 battles.

Perhaps Steven Broomfield might be able to find out if your tune was written by a member of the London Scottish.

[von Smallhausen]

squirrel, on 05 April 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

Hello,

The Pipe Majors of Scottish regiments traditionally write pipe tunes to commemorate their part in some battles as do some Irish regiment's Pipe Majors and/or Drum Majors. There is a pipe tune, The Battle of The Somme for instance, and I am sure that there would be others written for WW1 battles.

Perhaps Steven Broomfield might be able to find out if your tune was written by a member of the London Scottish.

Thank you, Squirrel for this information. I will send a PM to Steven.
kind regards,
Jef

[Steven Broomfield]

Jef - PM received.

I'm afraid I don't know the answer: the regimental history mentions Wervicq, but the 2 Battalion seem not to have assaulted that place, their advance on 14th october being on the road running between Wervicq and Mons, and only two mentions in the history seem to support the thought tht the LS weren't particularly involved with the place. Te 2nd Civil Service Rifles (2/15th London) were to the right of the LS, so

Also the name of the McKillop doesn't seem to appear in the index either, so I don't know.

However, I will give RHQ a call next week and see if there is any information which might help.

Another thought: the history of the Civil Service Rifles comments that the 14th Division were also in the area and effected a crossing of the Lys near Wervicq. Given that the 14th Div had the 14th Ardylls (42nd Brigade) and 10th HLI (43rd Brigade), is it possible one of these regiments produced this march?

[von Smallhausen]

Another thought: the history of the Civil Service Rifles comments that the 14th Division were also in the area and effected a crossing of the Lys near Wervicq. Given that the 14th Div had the 14th Ardylls (42nd Brigade) and 10th HLI (43rd Brigade), is it possible one of these regiments produced this march?


Thank you Steven for your answer. In fact, your other thought might be a possibility. Again new possibilities to think about.
kind regards,
Jef

[Tom A McCluskey]

Jef,

It might be an Irish pipe tune.

Aye,

Tom McC

[4thGordons]

Off the wall thought:

It is possible that the reference is to a much earlier war?

I think the Battle of Tourcoing, 17-18 May 1794 was fought in the vicinity of Wervicq and I belive the Brigade of Guards (inc the Scots Guards) were involved in this battle so I thought it might be possible this is the reference?

However it does not appear until Vol 7 of Logans Collection of Highland Pipe Music (see HERE) along with lots of other WWI tunes so that would suggest it is a Great War reference.

Has anyone checked Seton and Grant (Pipes of War) for McKillop this might reveal regiment - I can look when I get home.
Chris

[von Smallhausen]

Hello Tom and Chris,
Thank you for your answers, gentlemen. It's always possible it's an Irish tune (Squirel wil be glad if it is , aren't you Tony)...  we will wait and see.
Chris, I would be grateful if you could look in your list, maybe it contains valuable information.
Kind regards and thanks once more,
Jef

[BigRab]

Jef, I am going into the Piping Centre in Glasgow tomorrow night. I will see if anybody has any more information on the tune and its composer.

You could try this Bagpipe Forum.

http://forums.bobdun...orums/index.php

[BigRab]

Hi Jef,
  Sadly no joy on finding anything about the tune or composer. But I have a few other piping friends I can ask. So I will get back to you once I have spoken to them
Cheer Rab

[CGM]

There are a few references if you do a google search

It's mentioned in The Piping Times, but I only know this because I found the index

See here

Scrolling down to 62/4 will tell you it was composed by A MacKillop

[von Smallhausen]

Hello Rab,
Thank you so much for your efforts and posts. Sorry for waiting so long to answer Sometimes I don't see the wood for the trees in this wonderful forum. Sometimes I have to go to my content to find back my posts ....
Kind regards,
Jef

[Alan Curragh]

Information supplied to the GWFTeam email - please contact me if you want Lloyd's email address

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Hello;

There is a thread on your forum, having to do with the pipe tune
"Advancing on Wervicq"

The following information may be of use to one of your contributors.

John Francis McKillop was awarded the M.C. for his actions
at Wervicq on October 14 1918 ... He was at the time serving with
the London Regiment, but was formerly from the Highland Light
Infantry. (ref: several mentions in supplement to the London Gazette)

I've been informed that one Angus McKillop was formerly Pipe Major
to the Camerons, and I'm attempting to research a possible family
connection.  My thought is that Angus may well have been the
"A. McKillop" who composed the tune, possibly as a tribute to John
(about whom I've learned very little.)

You have my permission to provide my email address to any
of your members who may wish to exchange information on
this.

Below is one of the Gazette references to John Francis McKillop:

Thank you, for any assistance you can provide.

Lloyd M. Bogart
______________________


9754 SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 30 JULY, 1919
http://www.gazettes-...s/9754/page.pdf

[This last appears to be a Military Cross Commendation
-- it reads:]

Lt. John Francis McKillop, 2/24th Bn., attd.
/23rd Bn., Lond. R.
During the operations at Wervicq on October
14th, 1918, he led his company with splendid
courage and dash. In spite of considerable
machine-gun fire he gained the final objective
with very few casualties. During his advance
he rushed several machine-gun posts and
captured 150 prisoners and several machine
[page break to 9755]
guns. Though, wounded he refused to leave,
his company until he had seen his posts in the
final objective properly established.

[von Smallhausen]

Hello Allan,
Thank you for this great information. I tried to sent you a PM but I'm afraid it doesn' t work. Maybe your inbox is full?
I would be grateful if you could PM Lloyd's mailaddress.
Thank you again,
Jef