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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:15 PM
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:13 PM
Thanks I'm relieved that I am not the only one to find this a tangled tale. 100 years on there would be calls for a public enquiry and allegations of a cover up but I guess with the change in government and a war to get on with the focus of attention turned elsewhere. If there are cabinet minutes maybe they will be released one day
Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:19 PM
I have been following the Topic discussing the Battle of Coronel, November 1914 off Chile. Our navy was completely out-gunned and a great many lost their lives. It may just be a coincidence with the Shell scandal, but Admiral Craddock's ships were largely manned by Reservists without gun practice due to Admiralty warnings not to waste ammo. They faced a very experienced IGN fleet with superior fire power. Sounds familiar?
Posted 13 April 2012 - 07:23 PM
That is true, Terry but I find it salutory that representatives from 'The workshop of the world' needed to tour France to see how they had overcome the problems so quickly. One of the problems was the unprecedented increase in demand. No one had the faintest idea of how much ammunition an artillery war would require.
Just to put things in perspective, France and Germany also experienced similar problems . Demand outstripped supply, not just because of organisational problems, but because of the shortages of raw materials.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:22 PM
There are no minutes. That was deliberate policy which changed later on and I believe( without checking, I'm nothing if not daring) that Maurice Hankey was the first to introduce minute taking at war cabinets. I'd have to check on who exactly did what and when.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:43 PM
Thank you, that's a lot of great information. I think a visit to NA is required and I see Arms and the Wizard is still available.
Posted 06 May 2012 - 04:04 PM
The outcome certainly shows the power of the press, was this the first time press reporting was to bring about such prompt change in war time?
As I understand it Sir John French was about ready to pull teeth when he 'so called mentioned' to The Times war correspondent Repington that the failure of May 9 was due to a shortage of shells. The Times quoted "We had not sufficient high explosives to lower the enemy's parapets to the ground...The want of an unlimited supply of high explosives was a fatal bar to our success". That must have sent ripples around the corridors of power, after all this was 'The Times' speaking. However reports were also coming back by returning soldiers and the story was also reported in the more widely read Daily Mail whose sensationalised headline "Lord K's Tragic Blunder" was perhaps the last straw.