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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:20 am
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:28 am
Webber was the Anglican chaplain, Jane, and Phelan was the RC chaplain (Naval Who's Who 1917, Officers & Men killed in action at Jutland Bank, 31 May 1916, HMS Black Prince).
"Black Prince"'s chaplain is given as the Rev. William Webber.
Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:40 am
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:18 pm
the Navy List seems to include only the top-level RC chaplain in its listings and none of the others!
Edited by michaeldr, 02 May 2012 - 12:58 pm.
Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:47 pm
Posted 02 May 2012 - 01:26 pm
born in Derry, County Kerry
Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:42 pm
I have some Phelans in my Servicemen Pictures Library ... I will check if your man is one of them
Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:40 pm
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 03:46 am
The position of Roman Catholic chaplains in the Royal Navy of WWI was not the same as that of their Anglican brethren
from The Cross on the Sword by Johnstone & Hagerty
"In the new circumstances of [RC] chaplains at sea, it became painfully apparent to Catholic priests serving afloat how different their status was compared to Church of England chaplains, who ranked with other commissioned officers. Fr. Bradley went further than any other naval chaplain explaining to Westminster [the arch-diocese] the injustice of their position. Fr. Bradley wrote of the 'sufferance' under which he laboured and stressed the need to have Catholic chaplains on a secure commissioned basis. Although he explained he was not interested in pay, per se, Fr. Bradley told how he was paid in a different way to officers and Anglican chaplains. He was not on the ship's books and therefore 'cannot purchase things from the paymaster's stores in my own name'. He pointed out that he would get no compensation if wounded or invalided out. Bradley also drew attention to the iniquity of the system whereby Catholic chaplains could not be awarded decorations reserved for officers – and gives an example. He writes that Admiral Beatty was in favour of commissioning Catholic chaplains and pointed out that Fr. Patrick Gibbons held a commission in the Royal Australian Navy."
Phelan is mentioned in the above book – see p.64
"There were no fewer than six Catholic priests present at the Battle of Jutland: Frs Thomas Bradley, Tiger;
Posted 27 August 2012 - 05:48 am
Edited by michaeldr, 27 August 2012 - 06:32 am.
Posted 03 September 2012 - 11:42 am
No Mike, I don't think I am. Someone will have given him the Lion hatband... maybe he gave a crew-member pastoral advice or something along those lines?
But I bow to greater knowledge
No need to bow, as you could well be right!
Johnstone & Hagerty's page 64 is indeed as I have quoted here previously
However, I now see that they also have the following on page 281:
“... Fr Thomas Bradley CSSR ... … … had been both a military and naval chaplain in World War I. One of Fr Bradley's ancestors, Admiral Sir Thomas Hardy, was Nelson's Flag Captain at Trafalgar. Because of his connections he transferred from the Army to the Navy when the opportunity arose, and was slightly wounded while serving in Lion at Jutland.”
Posted 07 October 2012 - 03:08 am
"There were no fewer than six Catholic priests present at the Battle of Jutland: Frs Thomas Bradley, Tiger; William Driscoll, Natal; Patrick Gibbons, HMAS Australia; William Meagher, Bellerophon; Stewart Phelan OMI, Black Prince; and Anthony Pollen in Warspite. In the course of the battle HMS Black Prince was sunk and Fr. Phelan was listed as missing presumed drowned. He became the second Catholic naval chaplain to die in the war."
Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:27 pm
Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:30 am
BRADLEY, Rev THOMAS F, Chaplain (Resolution, O/P), killed
Posted 09 March 2014 - 09:05 pm
Oddly enough I have finally found R.C. Chaplain the Rev. S.J. Phelan in the Navy List while looking for someone else: April 1918, under "Officers and Men killed in action", in the section for May 1916.