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#1 TRAJAN

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 01:28 PM

Just want to share with you all what an incredibly lucky day I had today at the local monthly Antika Pazari! Normally there is very little bayonet-wise on offer and it's usually overpriced and in bad condition. BUT today I managed to pick up a scabbard for a scabbard-less Gras bayonet I have, and a nice late model (brass handle) Lebel with working catch, together at about GBP 30. However, the pride and really great joy was getting two leather scabbards with frogs. Both scabbards are for the Turkish 1874 'straightened' Peabody, although while one (bottom) is full length at 50 cm top to bottom of finial (and my scabbard-less 'straightened' 1874 Peabody fits it!), the other (top) has been shortened to 45 cm top to bottom, I don't know for which bayonet. The frogs, however, are not original for the Peabody - the Peabody quillion does not fit over the edge of the frog. BUT, I suspect that they are German, for 98/05's (issued in Turkey in 1917)  - when I get a chance I'll try them and let you all know. Total cost for these was GBP 40...!!!

A very happy Trajan!

PS: For those of you who don't follow the pointy-things thread, the great joy here is that while it is relatively easy (i.e., hard!) to find certain relatively rare WWI bayonets in good condition without scabbards, it is very rare to find loose scabbards that will fit those scabbard-less bayonets

PPS: the photo's are here thanks to using 4thGordon's recommended method for downsizing using M******t picture method

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#2 TRAJAN

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 01:33 PM

And here's the back view... I am pretty certain these are German frogs - what do you guys think?

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 03:14 PM

So, yes as bottom part of the photo beneath shows, the 'shortened/straightened' Peabody 1874 that I have does fit happily into the longer scabbard, once I managed to prise the frog loose, while the top part shows that the frog does fit a 98/05 - I am giving the frog a chance to 'rest' as it is rather hard, so I haven't put the frog stud through yet.  

Next step: a preliminary try suggests that the other shorter Peabody scabbard may well accomodate a 98/05 but I need to get some free and uninterrupted time to check properly on that.

Next step after that: advice wanted on the appropriate leather food for the scabbards and the frogs!

And finally, what is the correct frog for a Peabody 1874? The end of the quillion is so close to the locket that I can't see how a useable thick leather frog would fit...

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 05:55 AM

View PostTRAJAN, on 03 June 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

And here's the back view... I am pretty certain these are German frogs - what do you guys think?
They sure look like the standard German frogs to me, which makes sense given how many 98/05's went that way - you've done well. :thumbsup:

Cheers, S>S

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 02:21 PM

And a 'Turked' 98/05 I have (with a narrowed blade) does fit into the shorter of those two Peabody scabbards!!! Photo's are too big to fit here w/out loosing too much defintion (or after I do a course on how to reduce file size to do this!) - but all three (at about 1MB total) are easily visible and viewable on GBF, at http://forums.gunboa...eabody-scabbard

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 07:57 PM

Nice one Trajan, glad you picked up a bargain!