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[BLee]

Looking for information on George Charles Payne, Pte. King's Shropshire Light Infantry died 13/01/21, Birr, Ireland. Death certificate states died of gunshots wounds, anyone know the circumstances.

[6th Shropshires]

Hi BLee

Do you know if he served in Great War ? I have a George Payne in my database but no George Charles Payne.

Annette

[BLee]

Hi Annette,
His death cert states he was 18 years old when he died so I think he might be too young for Great War service. The cert also states he was 2^nd Shropshire’s, it actually states he was 2^nd Bt. Hampshropshire Light Infantry. I was contacted through my website by someone who lives near where Payne is buried, they wanted to know how he died. I have searched all my records but to no avail. His deat cert also states he died at Hunston,  House King’s County.
Brendan.

6th Shropshires, on 27 June 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Hi BLee

Do you know if he served in Great War ? I have a George Payne in my database but no George Charles Payne.

Annette

[6th Shropshires]

Hi Brendan

Have you tried the Regimental museum, they have post war attestment book, which may have some details on him. Do you have his Regimental number, I could look through it for you as I plan to visit museum some time in next mouth or so.

Annette

[BLee]

Hi Annette,
Thank you for the tip, I have just posted a question to the museum. His number was 4026893, if I hear anything from the museum I will let you know.
Brendan.

6th Shropshires, on 06 July 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

Hi Brendan

Have you tried the Regimental museum, they have post war attestment book, which may have some details on him. Do you have his Regimental number, I could look through it for you as I plan to visit museum some time in next mouth or so.

Annette

[mhifle]

Hi,
  His regimental number is post war.  

The King's Shropshire Light Infantry Number Block: 4025001 - 4070000 by Army Order 338 in August 1920

Regards Mark

[BLee]

I got the following reply from the KSLI museum today.

“We have had considerable correspondence with various Irish academic bodies
over the past few years re 2/KSLI soldiers killed in Ireland during the
Civil War and I think that much has been published recently. (e.g. by Dr. D.
O'Corrain, University of Dublin)

Our records of the battalion in Ireland are very scanty, and from an
official/regimental point of view hardly exist.

We have little reference to Payne other than a brief entry in an attestation
abstract.

This states that he enlisted 4.5.20 for 12 yrs (9/3) in Hereford; that he
was a "general labourer", born in Long Hope, Gloucs, and his nex tof kin
(father) was Mr. G. Payne of Chesgrove, Long Hope.
He was "Discharged dead" on 13.1.21 from a gunshot wound inflicted at
Hunston House, Belmont.

A brief account of 2/KSLI in Ireland after the war by Lt. Col. Hulton Harrop
(then 2/Lt.) relates that a detachment of 2 KSLI was sent to Hunston House
to prevent its being burned down. Hunston House may have been the home of
Colonel Head, RA and hence a target.

"This detachment suffered a typical Irish ambush. They [i.e. 2 KSLI] had a
patrol out on bicycles, about half a dozen strong; as they cycled past a
stone wall the ambushers popped up from behind it. The patrol had no
alternative but to surrender their rifles. Not a popular incident!"

No date is given to this incident and no mention of any casualties [tact?]
but since the account refs. to Hunston House, this may be the incident in
which Payne was shot.

This, I'm afraid, is all the detail that I can give you.”

[6th Shropshires]

Hi Brendan

Maybe next step could be seeing if any pals from Gloucestershire could do a look up in local paper of the time, it may just have info. on incident in which Payne was killed, may just confirm if ambushed or not.

Annette

[BLee]

6th Shropshires, on 15 July 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

Hi Brendan

Maybe next step could be seeing if any pals from Gloucestershire could do a look up in local paper of the time, it may just have info. on incident in which Payne was killed, may just confirm if ambushed or not.

Annette

Hi Annette,
I tried the Irish newspapers with no luck and the person who contacted me through my website has attempted to find out what happened to him locally, she lives across the road from the graveyard he is buried in. I do not think she is related to him but she keeps his grave tidy and pays her respects every November, although the circumstances of his death may be forgotten at least he is not.
Brendan.

[6th Shropshires]

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   I do not think she is related to him but she keeps his grave tidy and pays her respects every November, although the circumstances of his death may be forgotten at least he is not.
  

That's good

[jdoyle]

your man appears to have been born in Q4 1903, son of George Payne and Helen Colwell. A younger sister Helen born 1906.

[mhifle]

Hi,
    This is from the 'Weekly Survey of the State of Ireland for Week ending January 17th, 1921.'

presented to the  War Cabinet and Cabinet.

It looks like the only incident close to his death is 1 soldier wounded for the Week ended 8 Jan 1921.

Regards Mark

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[PFF]

His online memorial http://www.cwgc.org/...8567/PAYNE, G C