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Payne, Pte. King's Shropshire Light Infantry Ireland 1921


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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:35 AM

Looking for information on George Charles Payne, Pte. King's Shropshire Light Infantry died 13/01/21, Birr, Ireland. Death certificate states died of gunshots wounds, anyone know the circumstances.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 10:51 PM

Hi BLee

Do you know if he served in Great War ? I have a George Payne in my database but no George Charles Payne.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:09 PM

Hi Annette,
His death cert states he was 18 years old when he died so I think he might be too young for Great War service. The cert also states he was 2nd Shropshire’s, it actually states he was 2nd Bt. Hampshropshire Light Infantry. I was contacted through my website by someone who lives near where Payne is buried, they wanted to know how he died. I have searched all my records but to no avail. His deat cert also states he died at Hunston,  House King’s County.
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View Post6th Shropshires, on 27 June 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Hi BLee

Do you know if he served in Great War ? I have a George Payne in my database but no George Charles Payne.

Annette


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Posted 06 July 2012 - 01:08 PM

Hi Brendan

Have you tried the Regimental museum, they have post war attestment book, which may have some details on him. Do you have his Regimental number, I could look through it for you as I plan to visit museum some time in next mouth or so.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:42 PM

Hi Annette,
Thank you for the tip, I have just posted a question to the museum. His number was 4026893, if I hear anything from the museum I will let you know.
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Hi Brendan

Have you tried the Regimental museum, they have post war attestment book, which may have some details on him. Do you have his Regimental number, I could look through it for you as I plan to visit museum some time in next mouth or so.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 09:42 AM

Hi,
  His regimental number is post war.  

The King's Shropshire Light Infantry Number Block: 4025001 - 4070000 by Army Order 338 in August 1920

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:44 AM

I got the following reply from the KSLI museum today.

“We have had considerable correspondence with various Irish academic bodies
over the past few years re 2/KSLI soldiers killed in Ireland during the
Civil War and I think that much has been published recently. (e.g. by Dr. D.
O'Corrain, University of Dublin)

Our records of the battalion in Ireland are very scanty, and from an
official/regimental point of view hardly exist.

We have little reference to Payne other than a brief entry in an attestation
abstract.

This states that he enlisted 4.5.20 for 12 yrs (9/3) in Hereford; that he
was a "general labourer", born in Long Hope, Gloucs, and his nex tof kin
(father) was Mr. G. Payne of Chesgrove, Long Hope.
He was "Discharged dead" on 13.1.21 from a gunshot wound inflicted at
Hunston House, Belmont.

A brief account of 2/KSLI in Ireland after the war by Lt. Col. Hulton Harrop
(then 2/Lt.) relates that a detachment of 2 KSLI was sent to Hunston House
to prevent its being burned down. Hunston House may have been the home of
Colonel Head, RA and hence a target.

"This detachment suffered a typical Irish ambush. They [i.e. 2 KSLI] had a
patrol out on bicycles, about half a dozen strong; as they cycled past a
stone wall the ambushers popped up from behind it. The patrol had no
alternative but to surrender their rifles. Not a popular incident!"

No date is given to this incident and no mention of any casualties [tact?]
but since the account refs. to Hunston House, this may be the incident in
which Payne was shot.

This, I'm afraid, is all the detail that I can give you.”

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 06:53 PM

Hi Brendan

Maybe next step could be seeing if any pals from Gloucestershire could do a look up in local paper of the time, it may just have info. on incident in which Payne was killed, may just confirm if ambushed or not.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:45 PM

View Post6th Shropshires, on 15 July 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

Hi Brendan

Maybe next step could be seeing if any pals from Gloucestershire could do a look up in local paper of the time, it may just have info. on incident in which Payne was killed, may just confirm if ambushed or not.

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Hi Annette,
I tried the Irish newspapers with no luck and the person who contacted me through my website has attempted to find out what happened to him locally, she lives across the road from the graveyard he is buried in. I do not think she is related to him but she keeps his grave tidy and pays her respects every November, although the circumstances of his death may be forgotten at least he is not.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:10 PM

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   I do not think she is related to him but she keeps his grave tidy and pays her respects every November, although the circumstances of his death may be forgotten at least he is not.
  



That's good

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:57 PM

your man appears to have been born in Q4 1903, son of George Payne and Helen Colwell. A younger sister Helen born 1906.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:00 PM

Hi,
    This is from the 'Weekly Survey of the State of Ireland for Week ending January 17th, 1921.'

presented to the  War Cabinet and Cabinet.

It looks like the only incident close to his death is 1 soldier wounded for the Week ended 8 Jan 1921.

Regards Mark

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:08 PM

His online memorial http://www.cwgc.org/...8567/PAYNE, G C