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[ddycher]

Thanks - tried but could not get to work. So looks like line by line it is. Bear with me.

[ddycher]

All

Have repaired the formatting and added anything that has been posted to the list at the top of the thread. Will keep it updated if anyone posts additional info.

Thanks
Dave

[ddycher]

Added first ref's to the Territorial Base Depots at Rouen. Anybody know if these were the same as No.1 and No.2 IBD's ?

Regards
Dave

[ddycher]

No.49 placed at Le Havre

Dave

[ddycher]

No.48 IBD placed.

Regards
Dave

[Kate Wills]

Dave,

A few oddments for you:

No 5 IBD's c/o was Col Gideon, certainly for the first half on 1915. He seems to have been kept busy with consignments of comforts for the troops of the Devons, according to reports in the local newspapers.


Turning to my concert party research, I have two assigned to IBDs.

No 33 IBD's 'Bing Boys' have been discussed in previous threads, including a photo:

http://1914-1918.inv...33rd +ibd +bing

http://1914-1918.inv...g

http://1914-1918.inv...33rd +ibd +bing


Another party were the 'Camp Strollers', who seem to have been a joint enterprise between 51st IBD and No 9 Stationary Hospital. Its leading light was Pte FH Jackson of 4th Seaforths, and seems to have been active at least from january to April 1916

[ddycher]

Thanks Kate.

Have struggled with James Henry Gideon and Archer Parry Crawley and their commands at Rouen in 1915 and 1916. Had previously come to the conclusion that James Gideon had been the Camp Commandant for No.5 General Base Depot whereas Archer Crawley seems to have commanded specific IBD's (inc 2nd TF, No.5 and No.8). If you have a ref specifically pinning James Gideon to No.5 IBD I would really appreciate it.

Will add the Concert Party ref's in under people.

Thanks again.

Dave

[Kate Wills]

I'll fish out the info on Gideon for you. In the meantime a look at The Times archive has an obit on Tuesday, Jul 25, 1944; pg. 6 for Col Lord Douglas Compton who retired from the army in 1914 (late 9th Lancers) and rejoined on outbreak of war and "went to France in command of an IBD, his services being mentioned in dispatches and rewarded with a CBE"

Monday, Jun 28, 1982; pg. 12 contains an obit forLt Col Sir James Edmund Henderson Neville MC. Born 1897, graduated from Sandhurst "In 1916 he went out to France in 1916, and after a period at No 55 IBD at Rouen, joined the Ox & Bucks at the front". He wrote a memoir called The War Letters of an Light Infantryman in 1931.

The Sgts Mess of No 23 sent £31.10.00 to The Times Fund reported Saturday, Feb 10, 1917

There are a couple of other results, which I'll untangle after giving my eyes a rest.

[ddycher]

Great stuff Kate.

A quick web search placed Lord Douglas Crompton as commandant of J IBD in 1918. He was gazetted to Commandant in the LOC in Nov 1915 which ties in with the 32nd Div. estb their IBD so my guess at the moment would be here. No.22, No.32 and No.4 became J IBD. 22nd Div. went to Salonika and 40th Div did not arrive in France until June 1916. So a good bet.

Thanks
Dave

[ddycher]

Have added a couple of names that I have come across over the last couple of weeks. Will try to identify commanding officers, adjutants and draft conducting officers where possible going forward.

Regards
Dave

[ddycher]

All

Anybody know what Base Depots were in India. Have ref's to Base Depots at Kirkee but no details outside of misc Res. Bn's being stationed there.

Regards
Dave

[ddycher]

Kate

Have now confirmed James Gideon as the CO No.5 IBD from est until Crawley.

Regards
Dave

[ddycher]

Sorry folks but the list again scrambled when doing a simple edit. Will try to find another way of holding the thread together in the meantime if anyone wants a copy send me a PM with an email address and I will send what I have. Will continue to drop notes in as I update.

Mod's - is there a better way to do this ?

Regards
Dave

[ss002d6252]

Do you have anything in your list which gives the base depot which supplied the DLI/151st bde (50division) in 1915?

[ddycher]

Sorry. Have nothing on the 50th Division as yet.

Regards
Dave

[ss002d6252]

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Sorry. Have nothing on the 50th Division as yet.

Thanks , I'm continuing to look so I'll post if I come across anything of interest to this thread.

[ddycher]

Commanding officers for 1914 and 1915 where identified have now been added.

Regards
Dave

[charlesmessenger]

ss002d6252, on 11 August 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

Do you have anything in your list which gives the base depot which supplied the DLI/151st bde (50division) in 1915?

50 IBD would have done this. Up to late July/early August 1916 each division had its own dedicated IBD.

Charles M

[IRC Kevin]

I've checked through the records from my two 55 Div battalions and the earliest reference I can find to anyone attending 55 IBD is 17th January 16. (As late as 27th December 15, the same battalion were still using 51st Highland Div IBD). 55 Div history says that the Division did not begin to assemble until 3rd January 16 and gives 29th January as the first day the Division was able to parade as a 'whole' since pre-War. So presumably the start date for 55 IBD must be somewhere between 3rd Jan 1916 -17th Jan 1916.

[ss002d6252]

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50 IBD would have done this. Up to late July/early August 1916 each division had its own dedicated IBD.

That's what I wondering but I couldn't find any reference to them - I know from part way through 1916 the men to quite a few DLI battalions were coming from 25th IBD.

[Ken Lees]

References to IBDs from service records that I have transcribed - the unit the man belonged to in brackets:



1916
To No.24 Infantry Base Depot. 05/07/16 (1/10 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
24 Infantry Base Depot on 06/07/16 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at 24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 06/07/16 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at 24 Infantry Base Depot 06/07/16 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at 24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 06/07/16 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at No.24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 15/07/16 (1/6 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
24 Infantry Base Depot from where he was posted to 1 KING'S L'POOL REGT. 12/08/16 (from 1/9 or 2/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
24 Infantry Base Depot 16/08/16 (7 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
24 Infantry Base Depot on 16/08/16 (1/7 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at No.24 Infantry Base Depot Etaples 26/08/16 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
02/09/16. To 24 IBD (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
He was at the No.24 IBD when he was transferred to 1st LNL 02/09/16 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Joined No.24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 01/11/16 (from 70th training Reserve Battalion- subsequently posted to 17 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
drafted to France with the 1/19th London Regt but was sent home 05/12/16 from the No.8 Infantry Base Depot due to him being underage.

1917
Arrived at No.24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 04/01/17 (7 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at 24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 04/01/17 (posted from there to 1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at No.12 Infantry Base Depot, Calais as a member of 9th Bn. North Staffs (Pte. 34964) on 10/01/17.
12/01/17 he arrived at 24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at No.24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 12/01/17 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at No.24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 12/01/17 (7 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at 24th Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 02/03/17 (9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at No.24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 05/03/17
To 34th Infantry Base Depot, 25/05/17 and posted to 10th Bn. West Riding Regt.
Arrived at 24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 27/05/17 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 10/06/17 (2/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
11/06/17. To 24 IBD, Etaples (9 KING'S L'POOL REGT. to 1/6 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at 24 IBD at Etaples, 13/06/17 (2/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at 24th Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 22/06/17 (2/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Reported to 24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 27/06/17 (2/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Reported to No.24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 18/07/17 (2/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
reported for duty at 24 IBD, Etaples on 17/08/17 (2/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at No.24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 18/08/17 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
To 24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 24/08/17 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at No.17 Infantry Base Depot 05/09/17 (2/4th Norfolk Regt)
Arrived at No.15 Infantry Base Depot 05/09/17 (1/Camb. Regt.)
Arrived at 24th Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 09/09/17 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
sent to the No.24 Infantry Base Depot on 19th Sept. 1917 (2/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
24/09/17 he left 24 Infantry Base Depot (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
To 24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 29/09/17 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at 24 IBD, Etaples 23/09/17 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
He arrived at No.24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples, on 23/10/17 (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
28/10/17 when he arrived at 24 Infantry Base Depot, Etaples (1/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)

1918
To G Base Depot 05/01/18 (2/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Reported to 'G' Base Depot 15/03/18 (9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
07/06/18 he arrived at 'H' Infantry Base Depot (2/9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Reported to 'H' Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 18/06/18 (9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Arrived at 'H' Infantry base Depot 10/06/18 from 130th American M.G. Divn., Etaples (1/( KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
to 24 IBD at Etaples 21/09/18 (9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Posted to 'H' Infantry Base Depot, Etaples, 21/11/18 (9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)
Reported to 'H' Infantry Base Depot, Etaples 04/12/18 (9 KING'S L'POOL REGT.)

[ddycher]

Kevin

Thanks for the dates for No.55 IBD. Assume that men coming through No. 51 IBD were for units in 164th Bde right ?

Regards
Dave

[ddycher]

Ken

Thanks for the dates on the KLR draft's. Have added them to the list. Your drafts would seem to point to the following :

1. No.24 IBD being aligned with G IBD. Seems to indicate that on consolidating and relettering the old IBD's did not necessarily continue to support the old divisions. No.24 IBD became part of F IBD not G IBD.
2. G IBD being disbanded in May 1918 which is also helpful as I knew it had been disbanded in 1918 but had not been able to put a date to it. This narrows it down.

Currently dont understand the ref to No.24 IBD in Sept 1918 as they had been renumbered by then. That said it would not be the first ref Ihad come across where the IBD was still being referred to by its old number even after haven been relettered.

An FYI the only member of No.24 IBD staff so far identified is its QM Lieut William Henry Lea (M'sex Regt).

Interesting that underage returnees were going through No.8 IBD in December 1916. I knew that the "underage battalion" was held at No.30 IBD from April 1917 but it would be interesting to see whether your man was a one off or whether underage soldiers were being tracked through No.8 IBD at that time.

Thanks for taking the time to do this.

Regards
Dave

[Ken Lees]

Dave,

Re-reading this thread, and my own notes in conjunction with it, would I be right in thinking that the relationship between the IBD and units is specific to where the men came from rather than where they were going? What I mean is that all (given that there are always exceptions) men of the 9th King's Liverpool Regt. would have been sent to No.24 IBD regardless of the fact that they may subsequently posted elsewhere if necessary? The references I have to other IBDs are of men from other regiments being posted to the 9th King's after their arrival at other IBDs.

Thanks for your work on this topic, which I am sure will add to our knowledge of this little discussed area.

Ken

[tstewa]

Id be very interested in any info you find on the 18th IBD, especially around October 1916.

My Great Grandfather embraked with the 8th S Battalion Black Watch on the 11th of October 1917 and at the 18th IBD was transferred on the 15th October 1917 to the 1/4th Gordon Highlanders.

Cheers

Toby