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[Peter Bennett]

Both myself and another experienced researcher have failed to locate this name on Panel 1 of the Arras Memorial.

Has anyone actually seen this name and hopefully photographed it.

Thank you

Peter



JAY, ARTHUR PALMER
Rank: Second Lieutenant Date of Death: 21/03/1918 Age: 27 Regiment/Service: Reserve Cavalry Regiment 2nd attd. 7th (West. and Cumb. Yeomanry) Bn. Border Regiment Panel Reference Bay 1. Memorial ARRAS MEMORIAL
Additional Information:

Son of Maria Rebecca Bryce (formerly Jay), of 27, Prince Alfred St., Queenstown, South Africa, and the late Charles Thomas Lane Jay.

[Jim Smithson]

Hi Peter

I am away from the house in France for a few days (the other half wants a couple of days near the coast!) but can look for you on Sunday if nobody comes along before then.

Jim

[KevinBattle]

Peter,the CWGC Memorial Information mentions:-

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The Panel (or Bay) numbers quoted at the end of each entry relate to the panels dedicated to the Regiment served with. In some instances where a casualty is recorded as attached to another Regiment, his name may alternatively appear within their Regimental Panels (or Bays). Please refer to the on-site Memorial Register Introduction to determine the alternative Panel (or Bay) numbers if you do not find the name within the quoted Panel (or Bay).

Just a hint for Jim or others that there may be a different location shown in the Memorial Register..... In your case it could be that he was attached to another Regiment at the time of his death.
As mentioned, "Attached to the 7th Battalion Westmorland and Cumberland Yeomanry" but may be either on that or the Border Regiment Panel (if that's not Panel 1!!)
I suspect that's why he's not been found on Panel 1 so far, he's on a different Bay due to be "detached" to another Regiment and should be found there...

Name: ATKINSON, HERBERT FAIRER. Rank: Private
Service No: 260487. Date of Death: 25/03/1918. Age: 23
Regiment/Service: Border Regiment. 7th (West. and Cumb. Yeomanry) Bn
Panel Reference: Bay 6. Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Anthony and Catherine Isabella Atkinson, of Selside Hall, Kendal, Westmorland.
So, it could be Bay 6 where he'll be found..... with the other 37 men from the 7th W&C Yeomanry

Hope that helps get your photo!!

[Peter Bennett]

KevinBattle, on 31 July 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

Peter,the CWGC Memorial Information mentions:-

Just a hint for Jim or others that there may be a different location shown in the Memorial Register..... In your case it could be that he was attached to another Regiment at the time of his death.
As mentioned, "Attached to the 7th Battalion Westmorland and Cumberland Yeomanry" but may be either on that or the Border Regiment Panel (if that's not Panel 1!!)
I suspect that's why he's not been found on Panel 1 so far, he's on a different Bay due to be "detached" to another Regiment and should be found there...

Name: ATKINSON, HERBERT FAIRER. Rank: Private
Service No: 260487. Date of Death: 25/03/1918. Age: 23
Regiment/Service: Border Regiment. 7th (West. and Cumb. Yeomanry) Bn
Panel Reference: Bay 6. Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Anthony and Catherine Isabella Atkinson, of Selside Hall, Kendal, Westmorland.
So, it could be Bay 6 where he'll be found..... with the other 37 men from the 7th W&C Yeomanry

Hope that helps get your photo!!

Thank you Kevin

I should have mentioned that we both looked on the panels in Bay 6 as well.

Bit of a mystery.................

[Peter Bennett]

Jim Smithson, on 31 July 2012 - 06:56 AM, said:

Hi Peter

I am away from the house in France for a few days (the other half wants a couple of days near the coast!) but can look for you on Sunday if nobody comes along before then.

Jim

Thank you Jim

I have sent you a PM

Peter

[Graeme Clarke]

Hi

Hes mentioned on Findagrave

http://www.findagrav...2&GRid=16107533&


BUT the picture is no use.

Regards,

Graeme

[KevinBattle]

Ah! Sorry, but if you are researching the Jay family, there seems to be another member, perhaps cousin also at Arras....

Name: JAY, ARTHUR PALMER. Rank: Second Lieutenant
Date of Death: 21/03/1918. Age: 27
Regiment/Service: 2nd Reserve Cavalry Regiment.
attached to 7th (West. and Cumb. Yeomanry) Bn. Border Regiment.
Panel Reference: Bay 1. Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Maria Rebecca Bryce (formerly Jay), of 27, Prince Alfred St., Queenstown, South Africa, and the late Charles Thomas Lane Jay.

Immigration Records: Name: Arthur P Jay. Birth Date: abt 1892. Age: 24
Port of Departure: Durban, South Africa. Arrival Date: 5 Jun 1916. Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: East London, Port Elizabeth, Cape Town, Plymouth. Ship Name: Durham Castle

Name: Arthur Palmer Jay. Death Date: 21 Mar 1918. Rank: 2/Lieutenant (T)
Regiment: Household Cavalry and Cavalry of the Line (incl. Yeomanry and Imperial Camel Corps)
Battalion: 2nd Reserve Regiment of Cavalry. Type of Casualty: Killed in action. Comments: Att 7 Bor

CHARLES THOMAS LANE JAY died 1893 (South Africa)

ARTHUR PALMER JAY died 1919 (well, that's the date shown, perhaps an In Memoriam notice)...

MARIA REBECCA BRYCE nee BUSHELL died 1939

Husband: Charles Thomas Lane JAY, Full, Bachelor, Clerk, residing Queenstown
Wife: Maria Rebecca BUSHELL, 20, Spinster. Date: 7/23/1884
Witnesses: Robert N. P. WRIGHT, Annie G. BUSHELL. Minister: James THOMPSON
Child: Emily Gordon JAY. Parents: Charles Thomas Lane and Marie Rebecca. Born: 9/12/1886. Baptized: 10/10/1886
Child: Robert William JAY. Parents: Charles Thomas Lane and Maria Rebecca. Born: 7/16/1885. Baptized: 8/23/1885

Name: JAY, WILLIAM OAK. Rank: Lieutenant.
Date of Death: 25/04/1917. Age: 22
Regiment/Service: King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment). 8th Bn.
Panel Reference: Bay 2. Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Charles Alfred and Gertrude Mary Jay, of King William's Town, South Africa. Also served in German South West Africa (1914-15).

Ah!! Just seen your involvement with South African war Graves Project with Fred Killick...

[Jim Smithson]

Mystery solved.  He is on Bay 1 but it is incredibly difficult to see and therefore identify easily.  His is the single name under the 2nd Reserve Cavalry Regiment title.  Not sure of the point of either photo on Findagrave - serves noone in particular.

Jim

[Peter Bennett]

A public thank you to Jim for his kindness in taking photos of this and several other names on the Memorial.

Peter