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#1 lionboxer

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 06:39 PM

Found an old topic mentioning the Royal Edward but seeing that it was almost two years old I thought I would start a new one. Is there a passenger/boarding list anywhere? Trying to find info about 20579 Pte. Albert Edward Harvey 1st Essex who I believe was drowned on this vessel when it was sunk 13/8/15.
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Posted 16 January 2006 - 07:11 PM

The initial report from the Times (18-8-1915) :




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Posted 16 January 2006 - 07:19 PM

Some Officer losses (Times 7-9-1915):




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Posted 16 January 2006 - 08:07 PM

Thanks for posting the cutting, Steve.

Capt Charles Marshall is one of my local researchees.

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Posted 16 January 2006 - 11:22 PM

HMT Royal Edward, 11,117 grt, sunk 13th August 1915 by German submarine SMU UB14, 6 miles W from Kandeliusa, Aegean Sea, carrying goverment stores from Avonmouth & Alexandria to Mudros. Owned by Canadian Northern Steamships Ltd-Toronto. 132 crew died.

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 03:35 PM

Kath has just psoted this link on another Topic. Thought I'd better pass it on.

http://www.1914-1918...royaledward.htm


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Posted 20 January 2006 - 04:26 PM

From my local "Wisbech Standard/Cambridgeshire Times 20th August 1915"

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Posted 20 January 2006 - 05:13 PM

Thankyou for all this, but it's an Essex Regt man that I would like info about.
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Posted 20 January 2006 - 05:44 PM

QUOTE (lionboxer @ Jan 20 2006, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but it's an Essex Regt man that I would like info about.


And it is the posting of extra information that may assist in drawing the post to someone elses attention! cool.gif
Presumably if you know the Casualties Home town it might be prudent to check the local Contemporary papers for news of his demise?;That would be the first step in finding out more of him

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 12:53 PM

"Albert Edward Harvey 1st Essex who I believe was drowned on this vessel when it was sunk 13/8/15."

Presumably you've used SDGW & CWGC, Census returns.

Cape Helles Memorial has the names of those who died or were buried at sea in Gallipoli waters.
HARVEY, A E, Pte. is on the Essex Regt.panel no. 231, under the heading HT ROYAL EDWARD.
The details in CWGC are in Memorial Register 4, THE HELLES MEMORIAL, GALLIPOLI, Part Twelve. Soldiers Lost At Sea A Z 1914 1918 which I used in the Burnley research.

Other than this I suggest following Harry's advice re. local contemporary papers.

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 11:31 PM

Lionboxer, I did some research on an Attleborough man who was lost on the Edward. Was your man an Essex man?

1/Essex lost 174 O.R's, but 172 of them were volunteers who'd transfer from the Norfolk's (3rd Special Reserve) based at Felixstowe, 100 on 23 June and 200 on 24 July.

Out of a total compliment of 1586 less than 500 were saved.

I see in the Times report above that there was no mention that Major Bromley was one of the 6 V.C's before breakfast.

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 11:39 PM

CWGC:
Private ALBERT EDWARD HARVEY
20579, 1st Bn., Essex Regiment
who died
on 13 August 1915
Son of Mrs. Lucy Hannah Harvey, of White Heath Rd., Bergh Apton, Norwich.
Remembered with honour
HELLES MEMORIAL

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 10:17 AM

I took my details from Soldiers Died CD, additional details to those provided by Kath are:-Born Mundham, Enlisted Norwich, Resided Sizeland (a small hamlet no longer on current maps, but I think, and I'm sure Lionboxer will know, was near Burgh Apton). Pte. Harvey was formerly 17790, Norfolk Regt.

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 03:16 PM

Thank you Snavek and Kath. The details furnished by you and GrandsonMichael have hopefully now enabled us to have Albert Harvey's name placed on our memorial at Bergh Apton. He is not commemorated on any other local memorial and as his NoK lived here I think it is fitting that we should "claim" him. Sizeland is now known as Sisland and is between Bergh Apton and Loddon and next to Mundham where he was born. (Snavek I note you used SDGW, can I be rude and ask if you would do further lookup's for me as I'm sure there's further info we've missed on our other men. Please PM me.) One mystery that will probably never be cleared up is why he wasn't put on the memorial before.
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Posted 22 January 2006 - 05:39 PM

Is this him?

From Free BMD:
Births Mar 1877
Harvey Albert Edward

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Loddon 4b 215

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 06:07 PM

Kath,
I don't know if it is him. That would have made him 38 at time of his death and still single (mother named as NoK).Still possible though. I checked the 1901 census and came up with an Alfred Harvey aged sixteen and born in Mundham who was an ag.lab. I think we'll have to fine tune our research.
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Posted 06 December 2006 - 12:05 AM

http://www.berghapto...ovember2006.pdf

page 13

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Posted 06 December 2006 - 08:07 AM

Kath,
I know. I helped write the article!! Our research has come a long way since I posted on the Forum, including a further six men (thirteen in total) who have connections with Bergh Apton. We will soon be presenting our case to the PCC and PC for the addition of these men to the twenty five already commemorated.
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