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#1 mruk

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Posted 22 September 2006 - 11:42 PM

Hello All,
            I've just come across a reference to the 'St. George's Gazette' while looking through the excellent work on the 'Tyneside Irish' by John Sheen. [Many Thanks to Chris Noble for the loan of the book]. Can anyone tell me please what info is included in the 'Gazette', and assuming that it is not specific to the Northumberland Fusiliers, where can I find a copy for my interest in the West Yorks?

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Posted 23 September 2006 - 12:17 AM

Dave,
The St.Georges Gazette was the monthly Regimental Journal of the Northumberland Fusiliers, which was first published in 1883 and disappeared in 1968, when the Royal Northumberland Fusiliers became part of the Fusilier Brigade, which then became the Royal Regt of Fusiliers. The SGG was suceeded by a new bi-yearly regimental journal entitled "The Fusilier", which is still on going.

Now if anyone of you boy's and girl's out there has the following SGG's for 1883, 1945, 1951 & 1953, which they would like to part with, then tip me the wink as I only need those four to complete a run.

I believe the West Yorks had their own regimental journal, but can't tell you the date of publication.

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Posted 23 September 2006 - 05:02 AM

Thanks Graham,
                       The regimental journal for the West Yorks is 'Ca Ira', which is also the name of the regimental march. The Leeds Central Library hold a number of volumes, and it was published postwar if I'm not mistaken. Journals or 'organs' at battalion level are few and far between, though some survive. Special Collections at Leeds University house a few. They may even hold the missing SGG's, though I'm not sure there'd be problems with reproduction and copyright-ownership, etc. if the University did hold them.

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Dave

Graham, can I trouble you for another favour? Does the number 19196 fit into any of the NF's many battalions. It was my Gt. Grandfather's No.--Pte. Harry Storr--He was from Leeds, survived the war, and died in December 1924. I'm hoping you can point me somewhere.

Many Thanks
Dave

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Posted 23 September 2006 - 09:26 AM

Dave,
I can tell you that 19196 Pte Harry Storr of Holbeck,Leeds was indeed Northumberland Fusiliers and was reported being wounded on no less than three occassions in the regimental journal - August 1916, November 1916 & June 1918. As for the battalion/s I'm afraid I couldn't say, as his number falls into a mixed bag of postings, although he may have served with the 12th Bn.

Your best bet is to get his Medal Roll Sheet from the NA, these give the actual battalions served in overseas, whereas the MIC's do not.

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Posted 23 September 2006 - 10:33 AM

Dear Graham,
                    My mother and I would like to thank you dearly for the time and effort you've spent in supplying the details of Pte. Harry Storr. This has come as something of a surprise to us both as we didn't even know until a few weeks ago that Harry Storr had actually served in the Great War. Your kindness is greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks,
Dave [and Florence nee Storr]

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 06:23 PM

Hi,
I am hoping that the above Graham Stewart reads this message.
I am trying to find out some information for a lady in Michigan, USA - whose grandfather was Albert Edward Chatfield born 21st Nov 1890 in Mile End Old Town, London. When aged 14 he joined the Army [gave a false age] and served in several countries abroad.
He later joined the Northumberland Fusiliers [Machine Gun Corps] Service No 17247 Private and saw service in France where he was straffed by machine gun fire and wounded. He was returned to Northumberland for convalescence etc.
Does anyone know any large house near Morpeth that he may have been sent to for his recuperation? He befriended my Uncle Alex in Morpeth and they both later emigrated to Canada. Where they both got married and raised families.
Any information about Albert's service in the Northumberland Fusiliers would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.
ps We already have his discharge paper dated 26th May 1919

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 06:27 PM

There's a few listed here.

http://www.donmouth...._hospitals.html

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 12:58 PM

View Postchewy, on 17 June 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Hi,
I am hoping that the above Graham Stewart reads this message.
I am trying to find out some information for a lady in Michigan, USA - whose grandfather was Albert Edward Chatfield born 21st Nov 1890 in Mile End Old Town, London. When aged 14 he joined the Army [gave a false age] and served in several countries abroad.
He later joined the Northumberland Fusiliers [Machine Gun Corps] Service No 17247 Private and saw service in France where he was straffed by machine gun fire and wounded. He was returned to Northumberland for convalescence etc.
Does anyone know any large house near Morpeth that he may have been sent to for his recuperation? He befriended my Uncle Alex in Morpeth and they both later emigrated to Canada. Where they both got married and raised families.
Any information about Albert's service in the Northumberland Fusiliers would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.
ps We already have his discharge paper dated 26th May 1919

1170 Pte Albert Edward Chatfield was infact a pre-war soldier and would have enlisted as a Boy Soldier, enlisting mid-April 1905. By the outbreak of the War he was serving with the 1st Battalion and is recorded in the St.Georges Gazette as being sick/wounded in September and October 1914. However with the latter this is after the event as it's known that he was already a patient at No.5 General Hospital, Leicester on the 21st September 1914 - this is because the lists of casualties/sick are often late for publication.

Sadly I'm unable to tell you anything about Hospitals in Morpeth, but suspect he recuperated there after transfer to the MGC.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 06:53 PM

The quote below is from my forthcoming book on 1/Northumberlands.
1170 Pte Albert Chatfield is listed in the War Diary as wounded on 9 September.

Hope this is some help
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Bayne (John Sneddon)

The 3rd Division reached the Marne two days behind schedule. The
Northumberlands were instructed to secure the crossing at Nanteuil
and to proceed with caution as the crossing could be defended and the
Brigade was unable to provide artillery support. In the darkness “W”
and “Z”, the assault companies, took up their in the woods along the
top of the valley overlooking the river and when there was just enough
light to see each platoon, in steady lines ten yards apart, stepped out
from the wood and onto the grassy slope. As they moved into the open
the men shook out, five paces apart and stared into the abyss for before
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The Devil’s Carnival
them lay over 1000 yards of open slope, stretching to infinity in the pale
dawn towards the river. They were without cover and in full view of
any enemy concealed on the northern bank and as they moved steadily
down the hill to the sound of the tramp of boots on the damp grass
and their own rasped breathing they were painfully aware that a single
traversing machine gun could wipe them from the face of the earth but
from the enemy there was nothing; no artillery; no machine guns. At
the bottom thy separated, “W” moving on Nanteuil, and “Z” on Citry,
a hamlet about half a mile to the southeast unable to believe that they
were going to be allowed to reach their objectives unmolested. In the
village there were no sign of the enemy and even the bridge was intact
and the excited inhabitants, who crowded around them, told them
that during the previous day exhausted columns of German infantry,
cavalry and artillery had passed rapidly through the village and across
the river, not even stopping to loot the houses as they passed.
As they crossed the bridge and passed over the top of the ridge on the
northern bank the nature of the countryside changed and they found
themselves in a tangle of small roads and lanes that threaded through
woods choked with a dense undergrowth of brambles, bracken and small
bushes through which they pushed with difficulty. It was in this wood that
Lieutenant Cogan’s platoon came to grief. They were in the wood covering
the flank of “Z” Company when they pushed out of the undergrowth
onto a small rise leading to a clearing. Moving cautiously forward to
reconnoitre, Cogan, using his field glasses, could just make out the spiked
helmets of a well-concealed machine gun crew across the clearing and
although invisible to the naked eye he called forward his best six shots
and ordered them to fire at the base of a tree just behind the machine gun.
Unfortunately the enemy must have laid their gun on their exact position
for no sooner had they opened fire when the enemy retaliated with a single
burst which wounded Lieutenant Cogan and all six men.
Casualties 9th September
Killed
‘X’ Company . 692 Pte Connor.
‘Z’ Company. 8811 Pte Cawthery, 963 Pte Lucker.
Wounded:
‘X’ Company. 740 Pte Barron, 1170 Pte Chatfield, 925 Pte Lumerton,
703 Pte Morris.

‘Z’ Company. 1066 Pte Bestwick, 8707 Pte Lough, 1574 Pte Demain,
1606 Pte Wheeler, 1307 Pte Gandon, 1375 Pte Williams, 9310 L/C Udal
Lieut. C.T.S. Cogan.
10 September. Thursday

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 07:55 PM

Dear ss002d6252, Bayne and Graham Stewart,


Many thanks to you all for your prompt replies to my query.

I am sure that my friend in Michigan will greatly appreciate your individual contributions and they will help her to understand what her grandfather and many others went through in WWI.

Best wishes to all,

Chewy

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 07:57 PM

Bayne again

I do not want to be cheeky but do we have the correct Albert Edward Chatfield. A lot of soldiers with this name and about his age served in the war
If we are talking about Pte 1170 then he has two MICs
On Ancestry one is listed as A. Chatfield and list Pte 1179 1/Northumberland & 17247 MGC
the other is listed as Albert Edward Chatfield and gives a third number A-442775 Army Service Corps.
So far I have tracked down three Albert Edward Chatfield serving in India in 1911. One serving with the 1/Royal Sussex but he was kia in 1914. another in RFA and a thuird have yet to identify the unit

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:44 PM

Hello-

I am Chewy's friend from Michigan and Albert Chatfield is my grandfather.  Thank you all for the information that you have provided!  Bayne you are not being cheeky at all! It is a valid question as there were several Albert E. Chatfield's born in this time frame, but I am sure this is the correct Albert Chatfield.

I do believe granddad had two MIC cards as I have also found both of these-1 on ancestry and 1 from the Archives.  I have my granddad's original enlistment/re-enlistment papers showing numbers 17247 and 442775.  Additionally, the MIC from the National Archive is showing these numbers attributed to granddad along with the 1170 number.  I also have his actual medals which are engraved, his 1914 Star has his name and info. on back (1170, Pte. A. Chatfield, 1/North'D Fus).  The only issue was his birth year which shows up as 1884 or 1886 in some records but I know he lied about his age to enlist early (In April of 1905-he would have been not yet been 15 years old).  The 1911 Census also has his correct birthplace and shows him with the the 1st North. Fus. in India.  I also have a photo dated early 1915 which puts him back in Northumberland area which would probably be as he finished his recovery.  I have no information about his injuries or where he was hospitalized or convalesced other than the information which all of you have provided.

Although I have had his original enlistment papers and medals, information about his military career has been hard to find.  I do have an original letter of recommendation from a
Staff Sergeant T. Whelton of the RASC dated May 1st, 1920, Constantinople which was written after my granddad's discharge.  The letter refers to my grandfather as "Sgt. Chatfield" (although I have no verification of this on any records that I have found).  The letter indicates my grandfather had "considerable experience of shipping."  This leads me to think my grandfather may have been in Turkey sometime after his injuries but before he left service.

Again, thank you all for your assistance with this.  I truly appreciate any and all information provided.

All the best,

Albert's Granddaughter

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:55 PM

I am noting on a few other sites that there appears to have been a Machine Gun Corps Depot and also a Convalescence Home for the MCG located in Alnwick, so perhaps that is where Albert Chatfield recovered rather than Morpeth.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 01:31 PM

View PostBayne, on 18 June 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

Bayne again

I do not want to be cheeky but do we have the correct Albert Edward Chatfield. A lot of soldiers with this name and about his age served in the war
If we are talking about Pte 1170 then he has two MICs
On Ancestry one is listed as A. Chatfield and list Pte 1179 1/Northumberland & 17247 MGC
the other is listed as Albert Edward Chatfield and gives a third number A-442775 Army Service Corps.
So far I have tracked down three Albert Edward Chatfield serving in India in 1911. One serving with the 1/Royal Sussex but he was kia in 1914. another in RFA and a thuird have yet to identify the unit

An error with Ancestry, I think, as the National Archives have both MIC's as '1170 A.(E).Chatfield' - 1179 was Thomas George Holmes.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 12:30 PM

View PostBayne, on 18 June 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

The quote below is from my forthcoming book on 1/Northumberlands.

Bayne,

Would very much appreciate the 'heads up' on when this is likelyu to be published.

Thanks
Peter

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:32 PM

Bayne mentions a war diary kept for the 1/Northumberlands.  I am wondering where this might be available.  Are copies available online or for purchase?  I would be very interested in obtaining a copy.  Bayne also references a book that he is writing-is it out yet and available for purchase?  If so, does anyone know where it may be ordered?  Thanks to all with any information!

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:39 PM

The diary is available here - http://discovery.nat...ls?uri=C4554581

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:57 PM

Thanks so much for the link to the 1/Northumberland Fusiliers War Diary.  It is a bargain!

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:10 PM

Good afternoon, I trying to find any information on Norman Batey Pigg DSO MC and two bars. I believe he served in both WW1 and WW2. The SGG's are of great interest to me. I think he was with the 21st and then the 1st in WW1. WW2 is still an unknown for me. Any help would be greatly appreciated and if required payment can be made for copies/scans etc.

medal-mounting@hotmail.co.uk

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