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#1 Terry Denham

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 05:00 PM

CWGC added the following 'new' WW1 casualties to their Debt of Honour database today – Wednesday 14th March.

Pte Isaac Robert BOLTON
CH/21743 8th Bn, Royal Marine Light Infantry
Died 21.05.21
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

Able Seaman Joseph GARSIDE
Tyneside.Z/4668 RNVR, Hawke Bn, RND
Died 24.07.18 Age 21
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

Able Seaman Frederick GRAHAM
Clyde.Z/2632 RNVR, Howe Bn, RND
Died 21.07.15 Age 18
Commemoration: Helles Memorial, Turkey

Able Seaman John LAURIE
Clyde.Z/767 RNVR, Hawke Bn, RND
Died 13.11.16
Commemoration: Thiepval Memorial, France

Able Seaman Thomas LAWRENCE
Tyneside.Z/5821 RNVR, Anson Bn, RND
Died 21.05.20 Age 22
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

Able Seaman Robert Stephen MILLER
Bristol.Z/984 RNVR, Nelson Bn, RND
Died 11.06.18 Age 20
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

P.O. John SWEENEY
Clyde.3/509 RNVR, Anson Bn, RND
Died 02.06.19 Age 32
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

Ldg Seaman Robert Norris WEAVER
London.Z/98 RNVR, Nelson Bn, RND
Died 10.08.18 Age 22
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

Able Seaman Charles WELCH
Sussex.Z/198 RNVR, Hawke Bn, RND
Died 28.01.19 Age 21
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

NOT FORGOTTEN

The above are the result of several years of research and perseverance by Forum members, horatio2 and John Morcombe. Some have taken since 2003 for MoD to approve.

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 05:22 PM

Great news, well done to all concerned!

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 05:46 PM

A little more detail on these men for those interested:

Chatham/21743, Private Isaac Robert BOLTON, RMLI - 8th RM Battalion.
BOLTON died of gunshot wounds received in an IRA ambush at Ballyvaughan in Ireland on 21st May 1921. His place of burial is not known but he was born in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk and his next-of-kin (his father), who also lived in that town, may well have recovered his body for burial there.

Tyne Z/4668, Able Seaman Joseph GARSIDE, RNVR - Late of Hawke Battalion, RND.
GARSIDE served with Hawke Battalion in the MEF and BEF from February to November 1916 when he received a severe GSW to the back in the Battle of the Ancre. Invalided to UK, he was discharged invalided in August 1917. He died in the Home for Incurables at Newcastle-on-Tyne on 11 June 1918, the death certificate showing the causes of death as “(1) Gun shot wound of spine. (2) Paralysis Cystitis.” Place of burial not known.

Clyde Z/2632, Able Seaman Frederick GRAHAM, RNVR – Howe Battalion, RND.
Enlisted 21 Dec 1914. Draft for MEF 28 Jun 1915, joined Howe Bn. 18 Jul 1915. Killed in action Gallipoli 21 Jul 1915.

Clyde Z/767, Able Seaman John LAURIE, RNVR – Hood Battalion, RND.
Enlisted 8 Oct 1914 ; Hood Bn. 2 Nov 1914-16/7/15 GSW left hand, Invalided to UK 15 Aug 1915. Draft for MEF 16 Feb 1916, joined Hood Bn. 28 Feb 1916. Killed in action at Beaucourt 13 Nov 1916.

Tyne Z/5821, Able Seaman Thomas LAWRENCE, RNVR - Late of Nelson and Anson Battalions, RND.
LAWRENCE served with Nelson Battalion in France on two occasions in 1916 and 1917, being invalided with Trench Feet each time. In February 1918 he joined Anson Battalion in France and was seriously wounded in late September 1918, recorded as a GSW in the back, paralysis of legs and wound of bladder. He was invalided to UK and discharged invalided for BW to the spine, 100% disability, attributable to service, in June 1919. He died on 21 May 1920, cause of death being recorded as “(1) Gun shot wound spine, (2) Septicaemia”, in “Ellerslie House”, Nottingham having been admitted there from the RN Hospital, Haslar. Place of burial not known - family Leicester.

Bristol Z/984, Able Seaman Robert Stephen MILLER, RNVR - Late of Nelson Battalion, RND.
MILLER served with Nelson Battalion from early 1916 until he was wounded in the chest by a shell in November of that year. He was discharged invalided in August 1917 for “bronchiectasis, aggravated” and died eleven months later of the same disease “following shrapnel wound in chest”. Place of burial not known - family Bristol.

Clyde 3/509, Petty Officer John SWEENEY, RNVR - Late of Anson Battalion, RND.
SWEENEY served with Anson Battalion at Gallipoli until June 1915 when he was invalided home with a bullet wound to the knee. He rejoined Anson battalion in the BEF in November 1916 and was severely wounded (GSW in the back) in August 1918. Invalided home, he was discharged invalided in April 1919. He died six weeks later in June 1919 of “Paraplegia from GSW. Septicaemia”. Place of burial not known - family Greenock.

London Z/98, Leading Seaman (HG) Robert Norris WEAVER, RNVR - Late of Nelson Battalion, RND.
WEAVER served with Nelson Battalion at Gallipoli, from where he was invalided. He was posted back to the RND in France in mid-1916 but invalided with TB in November of that year. He was discharged invalided with Pulmonary TB in January 1917, attributable. He died at home on 10 August 1918 of Pulmonary TB. Place of burial not known - died at home Rusper, Horsham, Sussex.

Sussex Z/198, Able Seaman Charles WELCH, RNVR - Late of Hawke Battalion, RND.
WELCH joined Hawke Battalion at Gallipoli in late 1915 and was invalided home in early 1916. After service in RND Reserve Battalions he was sent to hospital in early June 1916 and declared insane (attributable). He ended his service in the RN Mental Hospital at Yarmouth. He died of TB (almost certainly contracted in hospital or on active service) in January 1919. Place of burial not known - family Shoreham.

The post-discharge deaths of the last five named were originally rejected by MOD for commemoration in May 2006. With Terry's encouragement their cases were re-submitted and the decisions have been reversed.

Anyone with knowledge of the final resting place of the 'unknown' burials, please post.

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 05:56 PM

Roy

I have a nosey around Rusper/Horsham for WEAVER.

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 06:21 PM

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Thanks. Able seaman Robert Stephen MILLER
bristol.Z/984 RNVR NELSON Bn,RND.

I can confirm that he is a Bristol boy and appears on the BRISTOL ROLL OF HONOUR.

CHEERS
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 06:49 PM

Congrats to all those involved. It's nice to see so many being remembered officially after being 'in the cold' for so long.

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 06:56 PM

My thanks to John, Horatio and Terry for bringing in these lads

Z/98, Leading Seaman (HG) Robert Norris WEAVER, RNVR - Late of Nelson Battalion, RND - brought a real lump to my throat as he had the same numbers [transposed] as my grandfather Z/89
Strange how a little thing like that can affect one
Off to raise a glass
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 06:58 PM

QUOTE (horatio2 @ Mar 14 2007, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The post-discharge deaths of the last five named were originally rejected by MOD for commemoration in May 2006. With Terry's encouragement their cases were re-submitted and the decisions have been reversed.

I recall your despondency over the rejection of what should have been obvious cases. Good for you in following them on and good for Terry in encouraging you to do so.

John

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 12:02 AM

Well done to all concerned.

Is it usual for these posts to be in the Soldiers section, or has the procedure changed?

QUOTE (Terry Denham @ Mar 14 2007, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a nosey around Rusper/Horsham for WEAVER.


Would it be good idea to set up a network of volunteers to poke around in their local parish records
to try and locate home burials?

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 12:52 AM

Geoff

Up until now I have posted these notices under 'Soldiers' but, now that we have this separate section for trying to get non-commemorating men remembered, it seems more appropriate to record them here - examples of success stories.

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 01:24 AM

Lost boys rediscovered, may they all Rest In Peace.

Remembered With Honour.



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Posted 03 August 2009 - 02:00 PM

Able Seaman Thomas LAWRENCE
Tyneside.Z/5821 RNVR, Anson Bn, RND
Died 21.05.20 Age 22
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

His grave has now been found - Leicester Welford Rd Cem section unconsecrated R 2628

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 06:37 PM

Pte Isaac Robert BOLTON
CH/21743 8th Bn, Royal Marine Light Infantry
Died 21.05.21
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

Grave found at Great Yarmouth New Cemetery

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 07:28 PM

Job well done Chris

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 10:04 AM

Able Seaman Charles WELCH
Sussex.Z/198 RNVR, Hawke Bn, RND
Died 28.01.19 Age 21
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

Grave found

Mill Lane Cemetery, Mill Lane, Shoreham-by-Sea B consecrated section, Row 11, Grave 1.


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Posted 18 November 2009 - 11:12 AM

P.O. John SWEENEY
Clyde.3/509 RNVR, Anson Bn, RND
Died 02.06.19 Age 32
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

Grave found

Greenock Lair 125 Section 2S


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Posted 18 November 2009 - 12:31 PM

Thank you for your continuing work in finding the graves of these men.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 12:40 PM

h2

also thanks to you & John Morecombe for doing such a good job with the research in the first place

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 10:14 AM

Able Seaman Robert Stephen MILLER
Bristol.Z/984 RNVR, Nelson Bn, RND
Died 11.06.18 Age 20
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK

Grave Found

Bristol Arnos Vale HHH-217


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Posted 18 February 2012 - 03:39 PM

WELCH, CHARLES
Rank:Able Seaman
Service No:Sussex Z/198
Date of Death:28/01/1919
Age:21
Regiment/Service:Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Hawke Bn. R.N. Div.
Grave ReferenceB. Con. Row 11. Grave 1
CemeterySHOREHAM-BY-SEA CEMETERY

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:52 PM

SWEENEY, JOHN
Rank:Petty Officer
Service No:Clyde 3/509
Date of Death:02/06/1919
Age:32
Regiment/Service:Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Anson Bn. R.N. Div.
Grave ReferencePlot 2S. Section 2/S.Lair 125
CemeteryGREENOCK CEMETERY
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N.B.
Recent research has shown that Petty Officer Sweeney is buried here.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 04:17 PM

WEAVER, ROBERT NORRIS

Rank: Leading Seaman Service No: London Z/98 Date of Death: 10/08/1918 Age: 22 Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve Nelson Bn. R.N. Div. Panel Reference Memorial UNITED KINGDOM BOOK OF REMEMBRANCE

Grave Found at Rusper St Mary Magdalene

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 03:05 PM

MILLER, ROBERT STEPHEN
Rank:Able SeamanService No:Bristol Z/984Date of Death:24/07/1918Age:21Regiment/Service:Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve Nelson Bn. R.N. Div. Grave ReferenceHHH. 217CemeteryBRISTOL (ARNOS VALE) CEMETERY

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