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[Ice tiger]

Pals

Just to let you all know that this church had now been deconsecrated & the roll of honour is in private hands - Mine.

The reason I have this Roll of Honour is due to the fact that it was made by my Great Grandfather & the calligraphy was done by my Great Uncle. When the church was due for deconsecration the clergy were approached and asked if the roll could return to the family who made it (mine) ONLY IF THE ROLL OF HONOUR WAS TO BE REDUNDANT & THEREFORE DESTROYED. Unfortunately & sadly so in my opinion, the church had no intention to re-hang the roll in the parent church & they gave it back to my family!

[size=2]IF ANYONE REQUIRES PICTURES OF THIS ROLL OF HONOUR OR A LIST OF NAMES COMMEMORATED ON IT PLEASE CONTACT ME[size="1"] I will be more than happy to do this.

For background information the roll of honor is dedicated to "The Memory of Herbert & Arthur Joyce - from the remainder of their family - And of the undermentioned comrades who made the supreme sacrifice" & marked 1914 1919. It comprises of a wooden frame with a glazed front covering a paper panel with 142 names on it. The frame was made by John Arthur Goulter & the calligraphy was done by Thomas Leslie Goulter (known as Leslie).

I have started research of those listed & as far as I can assertain, from the 35 I have researched so far (CWGC records), not all came from the same regiment/unit & not all came from Addlestone. All I can think is that as this was made in the early 1920s some of the names may belong to familys who moved to Addlestone post war.

Any information would be most gratefully received (especialy in regard to Herbert and/or Arthur Joyce) & no doubt I will be asking you all for assistance with some of those listed as my research progresses.

SEE MY WEBSITE REGARDING THIS MEMORIAL

Ice Tiger

[ianw]

IT - I quite agree with your sentiments about the lack of interest shown in reconsecrating the roll of honour in another church. That said, it is in safe hands with you. If you publish the full list of names, I am sure that the Forum will assist in telling some of the stories.

[keithfazzani]

Glad to hear that it is in good hands but sad to hear that the local church wouldn't re-site it.

[maryh]

Good to hear the Roll of Honour is in safe and sympathetic hands. What a shame the Church would not move it to another location.

I am researching our local memorial and have found that many of the men appear to have little connection to the Parish - most memorials were composed in the early 1920's and relied on local people submitting information, so, as you say some of the men listed may be from families who moved into the area, during or even after the war. As well as CWGC I have used Soliders Died in Great War. I have also looked at the local school records (the headmaster helpfully annotated the admission register whenever an old boy was killed), the parish registers and the census on 1901 too. My next quest is to look atthe Church Faculty papers at the Record Office (a faculty is the permission given by the church authorities for anything to be added/changed in a church - sothe records can contain quite a lot of detail).

Have you looked for The Joyce's on the 1901 census?

Good luck in your quest.

[Ice tiger]

Thanks Mary

Gives me some very helpfull advice as I'm new to research.

[maryh]

Your're welcome - don't forget the local newspapers too - usually on microfilm at the local library.

Good luck
Mary

[Ice tiger]

Looks like this will take me a while!

[Neil Clark]

the church had no intention to re-hang the roll in the parent church & they gave it back to my family

Good gracious me! no wonder that British people are turning their backs on the church if it's full of morons like that...

I'm glad it's gone to someone who appreciates what the thing really signifies... Well done that man.

[Ice tiger]

If you publish the full list of names, I am sure that the Forum will assist in telling some of the stories.

Have been busy & have now identified most of the surnames in A & B.



A'Court.  Leonard Percy -       Pt - 22012 - The Buffs (East Kent Rgt)
Allen.  Herbert                       L/Cpl - 230549 - 1st/2nd Bn London Regiment
Austin.  Ronald G                   L/Cpl - STK/221 - 10th Bn Royal Fusiliers
Awcock.  Frederick C             Pt - 42020 - 5th Bn North Staffordshire Rgt
Ayres.  Henry             Pt - 34939 - 2nd Bn Leicestershire Rgt

Bailey.  George A W             L/Cpl - 10735 - A Coy, 5th Bn, Ryl Berkshire Rgt
Bartram.  James E             Pt - 7562 - 7th Bn East Surrey Regiment
Basson.  Harry William            Dvr - 26589 - Base Details R.F.A
Batchelor.  Edward F             Pt - 7549 - B coy, 7th Bn Queens (Ryl West Surrey)
Bavin.  William J             L/Cpl - 4045 - 23rd Bn, Royal Fusiliers
Baxter.  Charles             Pt - 75371 - 13bn, Royal Fusiliers
Beaumont.  Sydney David       Rifleman - 322766 - 1ST/6TH Bn London Regiment
Bolton.  Philip L A                   Rifleman - 31010 - 2 Coy, New Zealand MGC
Bovington.  Alfred                  Pt - 40215 - 1st/4th Bn Leicestershire Regiment
Bryan.  Norman                     Ordinary Seaman - J/22422 - R.N.
Burgess.  Lawrence F             Pt - 2484 - Surrey Yeomanry (Queen Mary’s Rgt)
Buttler.  Vincent M                 Gnr - 74115 - 67th Seige Bty,  R.G.A

ALSO LISTED IS:
Woodger.  Walter T S   (M.M.)       CSM - 44208 - 62 Field Company, R.E.
Being a MM holder I was wondering if anyone has previously researched him? I have the Gazette pages (downloaded) but it gives no reason for the award.

All help most gratefuly apreciated!

Andy

[Michael]

Leonard Percy Frank A'Court's only service was with the 6th Buffs. He was born and lived in Addlestone and enlisted at Guildford (as a conscript).

The Battalion moved into trenches in the Mailly Maillet sector on 20/5/1918 to relieve the 7th Royal Sussex. During occasional shelling of the front and support lines on 23/5/1918 he was killed along with William Brodie from Chatham.

Mick

[Ice tiger]

Thanks Mick.

I could be coming back to you again as with 242 names on this memorial I'm wouldn't be surprised if other Buffs appear.

Do you want a photograph of Leonards name on the memorial Roll?

Cheers

Andy

[Michael]

Yes please, Ill send you a pm with my email address.

If you come across any more Buffs I'll try to give you some info on them

Mick

PS

Are William Dives, Harvey Hale and George Eagles on your list?

Edited by Michael, 29 May 2007 - 08:49 PM.

[Ice tiger]

[quote
Are William Dives, Harvey Hale and George Eagles on your list?
[/quote]

Mick

George S Eagles is the only one of these three on the list. Will let you know if any others turn out to be Buffs.

Photo's of the Memorial Scroll & the names of these two will be on their way to your email this week.

Please let me have any info you hold re: George S Eagles

Thanks for the assistance

Andy

[Michael]

OK Andy, I'll send the medal roll and war diary on a reply to your email

Mick

[Ice tiger]

Mick

Pictures of the memorial & the specific names you requested are on their way to you via your email address.

Anyone else requiring either the list of names (242) or pictures of this (Addlestone, Surrey) memorial just ask

Andy

[Ice tiger]

Nearly forgot

Here is the full list of names & the results of my brief searches so far. They are not in strict alphabetical order but as they appear on the memorial:

Name Rank Number Unit

A’Court.  Leonard Percy F - Pt 22012      The Buffs (East Kent Rgt)
Adams.  Arthur -
Adams.  Stanley -
Adams.  William -
Allen.  Herbert - L/Cpl 230549      1st/2nd Bn London Regiment
Austin.  Ronald G - L/Cpl STK/221      10th Bn Royal Fusiliers
Awcock.  Frederick C -                 Pt 42020      5th Bn North Staffordshire Rgt
Ayres.  Henry - Pt 34939            2nd Bn Leicestershire Rgt

Bailey.  George A W - L/Cpl    10735         A Coy, 5th Bn, Ryl Berkshire Rgt
Bartram.  James E - Pt    7562      7th Bn East Surrey Regiment
Basson.  Harry William - Dvr    26589         Base Details R.F.A
Batchelor.  Edward F -                 Pt                7549           B coy, 7th Bn Queens (Ryl West Surrey)
Bavin.  William J - L/Cpl    4045      23rd Bn, Royal Fusiliers
Baxter.  Charles - Pt    75371         13bn, Royal Fusiliers
Beaumont.  Sydney David - Rifleman      322766        1ST/6TH Bn London Regiment
Bolton.  Philip L A -                       Rifleman      31010          2 Coy, New Zealand MGC
Bovington.  Alfred -                    Pt                40215          1st/4th Bn Leicestershire Regiment
Bryan.  Norman  -             Ordinary Seaman    J/22422        Royal Navy
Burgess.  Lawrence F -               Pt               2484             Surrey Yeomanry (Queen Mary’s Rgt)
Buttler.  Vincent M -              Gnr             74115           67th Seige Bty,  R.G.A

Chandler.  Harry E -              Pt               CH/588(S)     Chatham Bn, R N Div, Ryl Marine Lt Inf
Chatfield.  Charles -                   Pt               32948            12th Bn, East Surrey Regiment
Chandler.  William S -                Pt               6901              4th Dragoon (Royal Irish) Guards
Chalcraft.  Arthur -                    Sapper         37113            68th Field Coy Royal Engineers
Clark.  William J -
Cooper.  Gilbert -
Cole.  William J -
Cox.  Valentine -
Cranston.  Percival -                Pt               9922             2nd Bn Queens (Royal West Surrey) Rgt
Cranston.  George -
Cooper.  Albert J -
Croft.  Victor -
Collier.  Robert G -               Pt 4229             2nd Bn Ryl Inniskilling Fusiliers
Cotton.  William A -

Dedman.  Newbart F -
Dean.  Earnest H -
Durrant.  William J -
Dives.  William -
Drew.  George H -
Deadman.  Frank -
Dorey.  Arthur P -

Eagles.  George F -
Elms.  William G -
Elliott.  George F -
Elliott.  Bertie V -
Etherington.  William -
Edwards.  Colin H -

Field.  Alfred -
Field.  George -
Field.  Thomas -
Freeman.  Frederick -
Fuidge.  James C -

Gay.  James H -
Gosden.  George H - Rifleman        R/10441             8th Bn  K.R.R.C.
Grant.  Frank -
Gregory.  Albert -
Green.  Claud -
Green.  Arthur -
Groom.  Archibald -
Groom.  Arthur -
Gurney.  George Thomas - Pt        353426              1st/7th Bn  London Regiment

Hiley.  Charles -
Hadden.  Archibald R -
Hadden.  Eustace W R -
Haines.  George H -
Haley.  Albert L -
Hall.  Frederick F -
Hampton.  Arthur -
Hampton.  Arthur L -
Hawkins.  Arthur Charles - Airman 2nd Class 1307 4th Sqdn  R.F.C.
Head.  Charles -
Higgs.  William -
Hoade.  Reginald W -
Hoare.  John -
Horrod.  George -
Huner.  John B -
Horne.  Percival G -

Joyce.  Arthur  -               I AM DESPERATE FOR ANY INFO ON EITHER OF THESE TWO JOYCES!!!!!!!
Joyce.  Herbert G -

Kemp.  Harry. W -
Kingston.  Edwin -

Light.  Frank -
Langfield.  Frank -
Lewington.  William E -
Littleproud.  William F -

Mace.  George -
Mancer.  Victor G -
Miles.  Alfred G -
Miles.  William H -
Miles.  Charles E -
Mathews.  Edward H -
Masters.  Percy -

New.  Edward -
Noakes.  Albert T -
Noakes.  Nelson W -

Owen.  John E -
O’Farrell.  Joseph F -
O’Farrell.  Thomas C -

Perry.  Walter -
Plowman.  Samuel - Sgt       4354 9th Bn East Surrey Rgt
Pook.  Harold Alfred - Pt       2280J9 1st Btn London Rgt
Proctor.  Lewis -

Rigby.  Charles -
Roberts.  Charles H -
Roberts.  John -
Rogers.  William R -
Roshier.  William J -

Schuttle.  George H - Pt L/9228 9th Bn, Royal Fusiliers
Sizmur.  William -
Snooks.  Charles -
Spencer. William J -
Spong.  Alfred J - L/Cpl L/10684        Queens (Royal West Surrey) Rgt
Spong.  Frederick John -     Gnr   RMA/15675 Royal Marine Artillery
Steer.  Reuben W -
Stevens.  Fred -
Skeats.  George W -
Stickley.  Herbert Alfred - Gnr 14490 A Bty, 93rd Bde, R.F.A
Sweeney.  Patrick -
Schumacher.  Samuel -   Pt 38727       14th Bn, Gloucestershire Rgt
Stevens.  Wilfred T -
Smithers. Henry C -
Symes.  Thomas J -
Sands.  Henry -

Tickner.  Edward -
Timblick.  Henry -
Tullidge.  Robert M -
Tullidge.  Bernard Henry - Captain                            6th Bn, attd 13th Bn, Worcestershire Rgt
Tutner.  Bert -
Turner.  Ernest -
Turner.  Arthur -
Turrell.  William Jesse -   Pt 37156        9th Bn Royal fusiliers
Talbot.  Joseph -

Wakefield.  John B -
Watts.  William J -
Weeding.  John R B -  (M.I.D) 2nd Lt        2nd Bn Welsh Rgt
Weeding.  Thomas -
Wheeler.  Henry -
White.  Charles -
White.  James -
Woodger.  Walter T S - (M.M.)       CSM          44208       62 Field Company, R.E.


Let me know if anyone has further info on any of the above (apart from CWGC & soldiers died) & if you want any pictures of the memorial or a name just let me know.

Andy

[MelPack]

Hello Andy
A little information on George Bailey:

Entered theatre of war on 30/5/15, appointed Lance Corporal during active service and died of wounds on 24/10/15. The war diary for the 5th Battalion is online at The Wardrobe.
http://www.thewardrobe.org.uk/wardiary.php

 Z_Bailey_Post.jpg   25.26K   0 downloads

Regards
Mel

[Ice tiger]

A little information on George Bailey:

Mel

Thank you so much for that. It brings it home even more to now be able to see the face behind one of the names.

Any more that pals have in their collections would be most appreciated.

Andy

[MelPack]

Andy

If it turns out that a reasonable number of your names were in either of the Surrey Regiments then this will probably be  a very good buy for you and at a modest price:

http://www.wsfhs.org/CDReview.htm

Regards

Mel

[Ice tiger]

Thanks Mel

I think this CD will be well worth the small investment!

Andy

[Ice tiger]

Mel

I now have this CD.

Worth its weight in gold & have already used it for other Pals look ups.

Many thanks for the tip on this CD!

Andy

[deborahm]

I have just started to research my Great Grandad  Bartram. James E -     Pt 7562     7th Bn East Surrey Regiment.  I do not know very much at all about him, as he died when my Nanna was about 4 years old.  Would it be possible to have a copy of the photo that you have of the memorial?  I would love to find out more about him.

Thank you

Deborah

[Ice tiger]

Hi Deborah

Thanks for contacting me. Always good to hear from a relative of one of the Addlestone men.

I am not at home and therfore do not have access to my research but off the top of my head I seem to remember James being buried in Poziers British Cemetery. If I am correct then I have visited his grave and along with photo's of the memorial I can also provide you with photo's of both the cemetery and his grave. I also seem to remember that George and Percival Cranston (from Ottershaw, Surrey) were cousins of James Bartram and they were also both killed. George Cranston's body was never identified/found and he is coincidentaly named on the memorial wall in the same cemetery that James Bartram is buried. Percival Cranston is buried in belgium. Having also visited Percival's grave I can also provide you with photo's of Georges inscription on the memorial wall and Percival's grave if you wish.

That's all I can remember off the top of my head so please send me an email to 14.18war at googlemail.com and I will be more than happy to reply with a copy of my research and the photos I mentioned.

Best wishes

Andy