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Jun 12 2007, 02:20 PM
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Lieut-Colonel Group: Old Sweats Posts: 606 Joined: 7-April 06 From: Northumberland Member No.: 11,843 |
I have an old postcard of the war memorial at Garrigill, Cumbria. I have been trying to
identify the men listed but have been having a problem with a few as they have common names, or the CWGC lists many with the same initials. I was wondering if anybody with access to SDGW might be able to help me by searching for men from Garrigill who were killed with the names on the memorial. On it are the following names (I have added the information I have): Thomas Henderson Hugh William Jackson - I think this is H. W. Jackson (50443) RGA, Killed 27/9/16, Salonika Frank Norman Millican - No. 244795, 4th/5th Bn Loyal North Lancashire Reg. Killed 26/10/17, Tyne Cot Memorial John Robson Walton Shield - No. 241211, 5th Bn Border reg. Killed 23/4/17, Wancourt British Cemetery Harry James Vipond - No. 16323, 2nd Bn. Coldstream Guards. Killed 26/2/17, Thiepval Memorial. Johne Elliott Vipond - No. 16429, 13th Bn. DLI. Killed 14/10/16, Dernancourt Communal Cemetery. Had won the MM Ernest (the rest is blocked out) Any help of filling the gaps for the men I have no details (HENDERSON, ROBSON, ERNEST?), or indeed further information on the men for whom I have a date of death, would be great. Johnnie |
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Jun 12 2007, 02:58 PM
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Lieut-Colonel Group: Old Sweats Posts: 1,208 Joined: 1-November 06 From: Salonika Member No.: 16,303 |
Don't think Jackson is your man. According to SDGW, 50433 H W Jackson is Henry William, born Mile End, enlisted London, resident Upton Park. There is no Hugh William on SDGW (no William Hugh either!)
Frank Norman MILLICAN: Regiment, Corps etc.: Loyal North Lancashire Regiment Battalion etc.: 4/5th Battalion (Territorial Force). Last name: Millican First name(s): Frank Norman Initials: F N Birthplace: Gateshead, Durham Enlisted: Carlisle, Cumberland Residence: Alston, Cumberland Rank: PRIVATE Number: 244795 Date died: 26 October 1917 How died: Killed in action Theatre of war: France & Flanders Harry James VIPOND: Regiment, Corps etc.: Coldstream Guards Battalion etc.: Last name: Vipond First name(s): Harry James Initials: H J Birthplace: Knarsdale, Northumberland Enlisted: Newcastle-On-Tyne Residence: Blanchland, Northumberland Rank: PRIVATE Number: 16323 Date died: 26 February 1917 How died: Killed in action Theatre of war: France & Flanders Elliott John VIPOND: Regiment, Corps etc.: Durham Light Infantry Battalion etc.: 13th Battalion. Last name: Vipond First name(s): Elliott John Initials: E J Birthplace: Patterdale, Penrith, Cumberland Enlisted: Consett Residence: Leadgate Rank: PRIVATE Number: 16429 Date died: 14 October 1916 How died: Died of wounds Theatre of war: France & Flanders Supplementary Notes: M.M. Walton SHIELD: Regiment, Corps etc.: Border Regiment Battalion etc.: 5th Battalion. Last name: Shield First name(s): Walton Initials: W Birthplace: Garrigill, Cumberland Enlisted: Alston, Cumberland Residence: Rank: PRIVATE Number: 241211 Date died: 23 April 1917 How died: Killed in action Theatre of war: France & Flanders Couple of possibles for Thomas HENDERSON: Regiment, Corps etc.: Border Regiment Battalion etc.: 5th Battalion. Last name: Henderson First name(s): Thomas Initials: T Birthplace: Enlisted: Whitehaven, Cumberland Residence: Carlisle Rank: PRIVATE Number: 240790 Date died: 21 March 1918 How died: Killed in action Theatre of war: France & Flanders Regiment, Corps etc.: Royal Garrison Artillery Battalion etc.: Last name: Henderson First name(s): Thomas Henry Initials: T H Birthplace: Carlisle Enlisted: Carlisle Residence: Rank: GUNNER Number: 141546 Date died: 09 July 1918 How died: Killed in action Theatre of war: France & Flanders Supplementary Notes: M.M. Couple of possibles for John ROBSON: Regiment, Corps etc.: Border Regiment Battalion etc.: 11th Battalion. Last name: Robson First name(s): John Initials: J Birthplace: Priorsdale, Cumberland Enlisted: Alston, Cumberland Residence: Rank: PRIVATE Number: 17415 Date died: 18 November 1916 How died: Killed in action Theatre of war: France & Flanders Regiment, Corps etc.: Border Regiment Battalion etc.: 2nd Battalion. Last name: Robson First name(s): John Initials: J Birthplace: Dacre, Cumberland Enlisted: Penrith, Cumberland Residence: Dacre Rank: PRIVATE Number: 24040 Date died: 14 July 1916 How died: Killed in action Theatre of war: France & Flanders Hope this helps, Adrian |
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Jun 12 2007, 03:29 PM
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Lieut-Colonel Group: Old Sweats Posts: 606 Joined: 7-April 06 From: Northumberland Member No.: 11,843 |
Thanks for the information.
I've had a look at some maps, and I think that John Robson 17415 could be my man as Priorsdale as only a couple of miles from Garrigill. I also think that Thomas Henderson 240790 could be the chap as the war memorial does not give a meddle name, so providing it is correct (and in other cases it does state middle names) he could be our man. As for Hugh William Jackson I am at a bit of a loss, as that is definatly the given name on the war memorial. Johnnie |
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Jun 12 2007, 03:34 PM
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Brigadier-General Group: Old Sweats Posts: 1,885 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Oakville Ontario Canada Member No.: 8,221 |
Free BMD shows a Hugh Emmerson Jackson born in Penrith Sept Quarter 1899.
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Jun 12 2007, 05:16 PM
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Lieut-Colonel Group: Old Sweats Posts: 606 Joined: 7-April 06 From: Northumberland Member No.: 11,843 |
How strange. I wonder if that could be the chap and he was known as Hugh William Jackson,
or if we have somebody else not mentioned on SDGW. |
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Jun 12 2007, 07:37 PM
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Brigadier-General Group: Old Sweats Posts: 1,885 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Oakville Ontario Canada Member No.: 8,221 |
There are 3 Hugh Jacksons shown in the 1901 census for Cumberland. The first was born in Northumberland. The second is Hugh E., and the last is Hugh J. - but he died in 1984.
Garrigill interests me, as my great-great-grandfather was born there in 1830. I think his father Thomas Johnson may have been from Haltwhistle, but the children were born and baptized in Garrigill. Hugh Emmerson was born in Threlkeld, and was living in Wigton in 1901 |
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Jun 13 2007, 09:27 AM
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Lieut-Colonel Group: Old Sweats Posts: 606 Joined: 7-April 06 From: Northumberland Member No.: 11,843 |
Garrigill_Low_Res.jpg ( 51.61K )
Number of downloads: 0Thought you might be interested in a picture of the memorial. I am planning on going over there at some point to take a look and see if it is still in place (it should be as it appears to be in a church), and to see if I can work out who Ernest is (I am wondering if the surname could be WASS). |
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Jun 13 2007, 02:27 PM
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Brigadier-General Group: Old Sweats Posts: 1,885 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Oakville Ontario Canada Member No.: 8,221 |
Oh let's do it the easy way: http://www.fivenine.co.uk/family_history_n...l_registers.htm
But if you are going over that way, I'd love to see some pictures. |
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Jun 13 2007, 03:30 PM
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Lieut-Colonel Group: Old Sweats Posts: 606 Joined: 7-April 06 From: Northumberland Member No.: 11,843 |
Well thats quite interesting. The memorial transcription states Hugh William Jackson
died of wounds. Is this why he might not appear of the CWGC or SDGW? Also the only Ernest is Ernest Wymees of the Border Regiment who isn't mentioned on the CWGC web site and isn't marked as killed on the transcription. Thomas Henderson is also noted as East Lancashire Regiment, however he is also not noted as killed on the transcription, but he is noted as killed on the postcard image. johnnie |
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Jun 13 2007, 03:33 PM
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Brigadier-General Group: Old Sweats Posts: 1,885 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Oakville Ontario Canada Member No.: 8,221 |
The National Archives site shows a Hugh E. Jackson in the Lancashire Fusiliers, plus a lot of Hugh Jacksons in the Northumberland Fusiliers.
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