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#1 Old Bristolian

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 11:34 AM

My great-uncle, Frank Flexney servered in the Ist Battalion SWB, being killed at the Aisne on 26th September 1914. I believe he was a reservist, responding to the mobilization of 5th August. Would it be possible to obtain his pre-war military record if he was indeed on reserve, and where was the Regiment stationed before the War. Family tradition has it he was in India at some point

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 11:50 AM

soldiers papers prior to 1913 are held (in original format not fiche) at the national archives as are ww1 papers

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 11:55 AM

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1 SWB served in India Pre the Great War as follows:

10 December 1897 - March 1898 - Meerut
March 1898 - November 1899 - Chakrata,
November 1899 - March 1900 - Dehra Dun and Pur
March 1900 -November 1900 - Meerut,
November 1900 - October 1902 - Peshawar
October 1902 - November 1902 - Mian Mir and Umballa
November 1902 - January 1903 - Delhi
January 1903 - March 1905 - Mian Mir and Dalhousie
March 1905 - March 1909 - Karachi and Hyderabad
March 1909 - 2 December 1910 - Right British Infantry (later Roberts) Barracks, Quetta

Followed by:

23 December 1910 - 24 August 1913 - Lower Barracks, Chatham, Kent
28 September 1913 - 12 August 1914 - Bordon, Hampshire


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Posted 03 July 2007 - 03:38 PM

QUOTE (HERITAGE PLUS @ Jul 3 2007, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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1 SWB served in India Pre the Great War as follows:

10 December 1897 - March 1898 - Meerut
March 1898 - November 1899 - Chakrata,
November 1899 - March 1900 - Dehra Dun and Pur
March 1900 -November 1900 - Meerut,
November 1900 - October 1902 - Peshawar
October 1902 - November 1902 - Mian Mir and Umballa
November 1902 - January 1903 - Delhi
January 1903 - March 1905 - Mian Mir and Dalhousie
March 1905 - March 1909 - Karachi and Hyderabad
March 1909 - 2 December 1910 - Right British Infantry (later Roberts) Barracks, Quetta

Followed by:
Thanks Dave
That solves one problem as the Family story says he was in India - just have to get up to London one day to try & check his record

Steve
23 December 1910 - 24 August 1913 - Lower Barracks, Chatham, Kent
28 September 1913 - 12 August 1914 - Bordon, Hampshire
Dave


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Posted 17 October 2010 - 07:14 PM

Below is a list manually transcribed of SWB recipients of the 1914 Star (Source: WO329/2447) . I have omitted the names of those men who were in China in 1914, and have been concentrating on the 9000 numbers.



Number Surname Name Remarks
9003 Regan William
9006 Evans
9007 Bilton Sidney Percy
9010 Barry John Killed inA.
9014 Fordham
9015 Cull Disc.392.XVI
9016 Sawyer
9018 Sims Disc.392.XVI
9019 Weston
9021 Friend
9025 Jarman
9027 Ridley
9030 Gadsby
9037 Woodman
9045 Samuels Disc.392.XVI
9050 Jones
9052 Hills
9056 Humphreys
9060 Meaden
9065 Fisher
9068 Wallin
9069 Bird Arthur Disc.392.XVI
9073 Livingstone
9074 Goodyer
9076 Arnold Charles
9081 Norman
9084 Harper
9087 Parnaby
9088 Saunders
9089 Pike
9090 Foot
9091 Hogan
9093 Callan John
9100 Willenbrook
9103 Warman
9108 Spanner Disc.392.XVI
9112 England
9114 Forknall
9116 Hyatt
9119 Bland James Killed inA.
9120 Middleton
9122 Seacombe
9124 Packham
9127 Bellamy Alfred William Disc.392.XVI
9128 Barnard
9132 Morris
9134 Miller
9147 Vanner Disc.392.XVI
9154 Kenvin
9155 Kenvin
9158 Davies
9161 Rutter
9162 Lancashire
9163 Holbrook
9165 Phillips
9167 Smith
9173 Evans
9178 Lewis
9180 Coxhead
9182 Gibbs
9185 Hawkins
9192 Manley
9194 Mansfield
9197 Brown Ernest John Killed inA.
9198 Belcher Chas Hawkins
9203 Belford George
9211 Hunt
9212 Payne
9214 Savage Wounds, died of
9216 Lovett
9217 Fletcher
9219 Slater Killed inA.
9227 Anders
9229 Reynolds Disc.392.XVI
9230 Corby Disc.392.XVI
9231 Withey
9232 Alexander
9233 Miller
9234 Butt Owen Killed inA.
9237 Cook William Charles Disc.392.XVI
9237 Laffy
9238 Day William Frederick
9239 Franklin
9242 Rolfe
9246 Roberts
9250 Leach
9255 Moss
9257 Martin
9276 Connolly James
9277 Evans
9277 Evans
9285 Gallavan
9290 Dolling
9293 Lloyd
9293 Swannell Killed inA.
9297 James
9301 Parsons
9309 White
9310 Preece
9311 Orman
9318 Moss
9322 O'Sullivan
9322 Williams
9325 Beesley
9334 Bell Walter Killed inA.
9336 Cochrane Walter Wounds, died of
9337 Smith Harry Tyrell
9342 Bliss Robert Disc.392.XVI
9346 Key
9349 Clemens Frederick
9350 Barker John C
9351 Newman
9352 Young Disc.392.XVI
9353 Mancey
9361 Lewis
9362 Osborne
9366 Shinkins
9368 Ringham
9369 Fuller
9370 George Alfred W
9371 Rhodes
9372 Pocock
9373 Whitney Killed inA.
9374 Lloyd
9375 Richards
9376 Priday
9377 Jones
9379 Evans
9380 Attwood Thomas Killed inA.
9381 Fitzpatrick
9382 Parker
9383 Watkins
9385 Williams
9386 O'Neill
9388 Glenister
9389 Streat
9390 William
9392 Rogers
9392 Connery
9396 Franklin
9397 Perry
9404 Morris
9408 Hayes
9410 Swannell
9412 Morgan
9412 Watts
9414 Davies Ivor
9414 Gale
9416 Bishop Leonard Newman Killed inA.
9417 Prout
9419 Fry
9421 Davies Albert
9422 Jarvis
9426 Davies James
9442 Davies Thomas
9445 Evans
9447 Ronillier
9448 Murphy
9449 Pettitt
9454 Brown Arthur Killed inA.
9458 McGowan
9459 Perkins
9460 Collins John
9463 Roberts
9469 Winfield Henry Stanley
9485 Yend James
9500 Presten
9511 McLeod
9514 Edwards Amos James Killed inA.
9515 Turner Arthur Edward Killed inA.
9518 Phillips
9523 White Killed inA.
9530 Shaw Edward
9536 West John
9558 Hughes Joseph
9562 Jones Thomas William Arthur
9580 Gibbs William Thomas
9581 Morgan
9582 Lawer
9591 King George Benjamin
9595 Ravenhill Alfred
9606 Owen
9618 Hurley Thomas
9631 Ilett George
9646 Collman James Edward
9648 Smith Alfred
9650 Johns Henry
9652 Lewis Percy Killed inA.
9653 Marshall James
9668 Goldsmith George
9669 McCarthy Eugene
9672 Fitzjohn Richard
9674 Toomey Edward James
9686 Powell William Joseph
9694 Wells John
9702 English Charles
9705 Roberts Edward Percy Wounds, died of
9707 Archer William Charles Disc.392.XVI
9724 Davies Robert Killed inA.
9738 Jones David Thomas
9749 Tidey Albert
9761 Jeffries Walter
9774 Cole William Herbert
9782 Mullins John
9799 King William
9818 Round Fred
9823 Davies William Albion
9835 Pennington William James
9840 Cooper Frank Joseph
9847 Meek George Edward
9856 Harris William
9867 Mitchell Ernest John
9894 Caswell Francis John Disc.392.XVI
9897 Green Thomas Disc.392.XVI
9905 Davies Charles Lewis Disc.392.XVI
9906 Lester Henry Albert Killed inA.
9926 White William
9954 Dowdeswell Joseph William Disc.392.XVI
9958 Brown William Killed inA.
9959 Sawyer James frank
9963 Reeves William Killed inA
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Posted 17 October 2010 - 07:22 PM

My great-uncle, Frank Flexney servered in the Ist Battalion SWB, being killed at the Aisne on 26th September 1914. I believe he was a reservist, responding to the mobilization of 5th August. Would it be possible to obtain his pre-war military record if he was indeed on reserve.....


The answer to your question is 'yes, if they survived the record depository being bombed during the Blitz in 1940'. Any surviving papers for WW1 casualties will be found in the WW1 army service papers available on Ancestry, or free to look at (on microfilm or online) in the National Archives at Kew.

Apparently some papers for some early casualties did end up being filed with pre-WW1 service papers. Again, these are available at Kew.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 10:03 AM

Dear Steve, I am writing a book about the Battle of the Aisne in 1914 which tells the story of the battle and contains the photos of approximately 150 of the participants, many have been supplied by the descendants. I am writing to ask if you have a photo of Private Frank Flexney servered in the Ist Battalion SWB, killed at the Aisne on 26th September 1914. My email address is paul.kendall193@btinternet.com
Kind regards Paul

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Posted 24 October 2010 - 04:40 PM

Below is a list manually transcribed of SWB recipients of the 1914 Star (Source: WO329/2447) . I have omitted the names of those men who were in China in 1914, and have been concentrating on the 9000 numbers.


Here are a small selection of Silver War Badge recipients, with the all-important enlistment date:

No Name Unit SWB No Enlistment date Discharge date
9637 Williams, David SWB B216098 03/09/07 16/03/19
9645 Manning, Will F Depot 288327 04/09/07 07/12/17
9648 Smith, Alfred Depot 51105 05/09/07 25/05/16
9678 Swain, Richard Depot B216099 12/04/08 22/02/19
9679 Box, Alfred E Depot 227396 11/09/07 09/06/17


The date for Swain does look out of kilter (source: WO 329/3097 sheet J/1876/1)




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Posted 02 November 2010 - 12:11 AM

QUOTE (HERITAGE PLUS @ Jul 3 2007, 12:55 PM) Steve

1 SWB served in India Pre the Great War as follows:

10 December 1897 - March 1898 - Meerut
............
March 1909 - 2 December 1910 - Right British Infantry (later Roberts) Barracks, Quetta


Thanks Dave
That solves one problem as the Family story says he was in India - just have to get up to London one day to try & check his record

Steve

Hi Steve,
Although the bulk of the Battalion left on 2nd December 1910, there were some who left in November, went to Chatham, and subsequently went to South Africa with the 2nd. This could well have been the case with your Great Uncle.

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 09:41 PM

I have had the pleasure of dealing with Paul Nixon recently, a true gent.

He advised me of how it is possible to do wildcard searches with WO97 records. The result was considerably more records than 12 months of working with the poorly indexed WW1 Service records (many were missing) and WW1 Pension records (more of these survived than Service records). If you are researching a pre-war regular, I would advise using the WO 97 records as your first port of call. Thereafter, using the MICs in conjuntion with the Silver War Badge rolls at Kew, is a good way to put timescales to service numbers.

http://armyservicenu...14-1st-and.html