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Hi, I've been reading this forum for some time now while researching some relatives who were at Mametz. I decided to register today to just post and say Hi really, and to thank everyone for all their comments and links and images. It's really helped me visualise what happened.
Posted 04 May 2012 - 05:22 pm
Welcome! You and Bernard (Lewis) are sure to have something to talk about.
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I know exactly where it is Bernard. it's in Warrington, not Swansea, oddly enough.
Nice photo; any idea where it is? Bears a passing resemblance to the Swansea Workhouse! (which had an infirmary)
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Posted 27 August 2013 - 08:12 am
I have just read through the full eight pages of this fascinating thread and I hope I am not intruding but I have a query about Mametz on the 7th and in partcular the Cardiff City battalion. Reading the facsinating stories about the many Welsh songs I wondered if the 16th Battlion sung songs as they went into battle. Do you have any similar stories about these Welsh lads? Also the image posted by Soren1915 on page 4 (#93) is of interest; I would like to use a copy but not sure if it is protected by copyright.
Posted 27 August 2013 - 08:26 am
Posted 11 September 2013 - 01:21 pm
Edited by Will Morris, 11 September 2013 - 01:29 pm.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 10:11 am
No problem at all. Always fascinated to make a connection like this. Details as follows:
Name: MORRIS, Charles Robertson
Rank: Lance Corporal - Service No: 18691
16th Bn Royal Welch Fusiliers
Born: 1898 Colwyn Bay
From looking at War Diaries it's likely wounds received between 31/7/17 and 1/8/17
Date of Death: 24/06/1920 age 22.
Buried: Llanbeblig Public Cemetery, Caernarfon
Thanks to Hywyn, he has now been officially recognised by the CWGC.
Edited by Will Morris, 12 September 2013 - 10:12 am.
Posted 12 September 2013 - 12:48 pm
Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:05 pm
Not that I'm aware of - but I will certainly seek out your post as I'm interested in all things 16th RWF.
Posted 12 September 2013 - 08:07 pm
Posted 13 September 2013 - 09:11 am
Thanks Jules - I don't think he's there, but they must have been comrades which makes it an interesting piece in an ever growing puzzle.
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Posted 22 December 2013 - 11:36 pm
He's only mentioned in my book in the original list of men who went overseas in December 1915. He's listed as H.P. Furness, mother is Mrs M.J. Furness living at Mount Pleasant, Swansea which is actually very vague. Lots of roads on that hill...
The 10 July 1916 was the day that the Welsh Division (including the Swansea Pals, the 14th Welsh) made a major attack on Mametz Wood. A couple of earlier, smaller scale attacks had failed. Three days of heavy fighting and 4,000 casualties later and the Germans were pushed out of the wood.
No detail on how he died but obviously either on his way to the wood or while fighting inside it.
Posted 27 December 2013 - 11:10 pm
Remembering the lads of the 38th (Welsh) Division as they waited in the darkness opposite the dark mass of Mametz Wood on the night of 9 July 1916. They sang in Welsh to relieve the tension of a long night...
Twenty years later an officer of the Swansea Battalion commented that during the war the Swansea Battalion had done a great many things - but, he added, the hardest thing it ever did was attack Mametz Wood.
The battalion was never the same after that and the town of Swansea observed the 10 July as 'Mametz Memorial Day' until the outbreak of World War Two. The Old Comrades of the battalion posted an 'In Memoriam' notice in the local press until 1966, at which time there only a few left.
Recently I had an exchange of views on another thread about the value or otherwise of empathy in the teaching of history. I think in retrospect I should have simply suggested that this classic thread be read from beginning to end as I have done this evening.
The thread really is a perfect storm of patriotism, pride, knowledge, erudition and, yes, empathy. It manages to wear its (immense) learning lightly and be moving without being maudlin.
I think many of the early posts in particular manage to bring out the almost mythic quality of the action at Mametz Wood and its place in Welsh history. I think in my case just about everything I know about Mametz comes from what might be called the literary sources: Llewelyn Wyn Griffith, David Jones, Graves, Sassoon (how could one regiment have so many literary giants?). As a consequence perhaps I have a rather more heightened emotional view of it than befits a history teacher and which makes me more susceptible to the emotional pull of so many of these posts.
Well whatever the reason, and with no apology for my response, it was a pleasure and a privilege. Thank you
PS I thought I'd better finally back up my knowledge with some 'proper' history of the period so have ordered your book!
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