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#26 stevebecker

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Posted 02 October 2007 - 07:31 AM

Mates,

I should also mention that the British Army still had officers on loan or attached to our Army during e the pre war years.

Some returned on the first Convpy while others took another transport home.

Names mentiuoned include MajGen GM Kirkpatrick CB to Lt SG Gibbs RASC.

Other officers where from the Indian and NZ Army.

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Posted 02 October 2007 - 10:09 AM

QUOTE (Bryn @ Oct 1 2007, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was much more common than many people realise.

This is an incomplete list of officers from either Australia or New Zealand who died in 1914-16 whilst serving with British forces. I'm still working on getting together complete biographies on these men. And one woman (not in list).
Remember, these are just those who died in the first two years of the war, and does NOT include Gallipoli (which is a whole separate list I'm working on). So there would logically have been many more.
2nd Lieutenant Ian Calcutt FINDLAY, 2 Bn York & Lancaster Regiment, Died of wounds at 16th Field Abulance Advanced dressing Station, Belgium, on 10/8/1915, aged 18.

Major (Temp.) Arthur John Newman TREMEARNE, att. 8 Bn Seaforth Highlanders, Killed in action at Loos, France, on 25/9/1915, aged 38.

Lieutenant George Martin CHAPMAN, 2nd Dragoon Guards (Queen's Bays), Killed in action at Ypres, Belgium, on 13/5/1915, aged 28.

Captain Henry John Innes WALKER, Royal Warwickshire Regiment, Killed in action at St. Julien, Ypres, Belgium, on 25/4/1915, aged 25.

Captain James Fairbairn FAIRLEY, RAMC, Died of other causes in France, on 9/11/1915.

Captain Eric Louis GIBLIN, RAMC att. 24th London Territorials, Died at Loos, France, on 29/9/1914.

Captain Loftus Edward Perceval JONES, 7th Bn Yorkshire Regt., Killed in action at Voormezeele, Belgium, on 3/8/1915, aged 39.

2nd Lieutenant James Gordon MCKINLEY, Royal Garrison Artillery, attached 171st Company, Royal Engineers, Died of wounds at No. 10 Casualty Clearing Station, Ypres, Belgium, on 3/6/1915.

Captain Albert Guy MILLER, 12th Middlesex Regiment, Killed in action at Fricourt, France, on 29/12/1915, aged 31.

Brevet Major George Hebden RALEIGH, Royal Flying Corps, Killed in action at Dunkirk, France, on 20/1/1915.

Captain William Ulick Middleton (Macleay?) CAMPBELL, Highland Light Infantry, Killed in action at Neuve Chapelle, France, on 14/3/1915, aged 29.

Captain R R DICKSON, 14th Northamptonshire Regiment, Killed in action at Flanders, Belgium, on 9/5/1915.

Lieutenant W M CHISOLM, 1st East Lancashire Regiment, Died at Mons, France.

Captain George Arthur Murray DOCKER, 7th Royal Fusiliers, Died at Ypres, Belgium, on 17/11/1914, aged 37.

Lieutenant John Stanser RICH, 3 Bn., att. 1 Bn., King's (Liverpool Regiment), Killed in action at Richebourg, France, on 17/5/1915, aged 19.

2nd Lieutenant Thomas Graythwaite Burton DIBBS, 7 Bn, York & Lancaster Regiment, Died at Belgium, on 27/8/1915, aged 23.

Lieutenant Charles Montagu HARRIS, 7th Royal Scots Fusiliers, RAMC, Died in France, on 28/8/1915, aged 24.

Lieutenant Edward Guy MELLAND, 8th Bn. Cheshire Regiment, att. 1st West Yorkshire Regt. (Prince of Wales's Own), Killed in action at Ypres, Belgium, on 1/7/1915, aged 26.

Captain Robert Eddington GORDON, Northamptonshire Regiment, Killed in action in France, on 15/9/1914.

Major Frederick Nigel PARBURY, 20th Bty, Royal Field Artillery, Killed in action in France, on 10 5 1915.

2nd Lieutennat Sydney BURDEKIN, 10th Trench Mortar Battery, Royal Field Artillery, Killed in action in France, on 28/9/1915.

2nd Lieuteant H M DRAKE, 8th Battalion, King's Liverpool Regiment, Died of wounds in France, on 17/6/1915.

Sub-Lieutenant O STENHOUSE, Coldstream Guards, Killed in action in France [?]

Captain Herbert FLEMMING, 9th Bn., London Regt (Queen Victoria's Rifles, Died of wounds in England, on 7/5/1915, aged 33.

2nd Lieutenant Geoge Eric FAIRBAIRN, 10th Battalion, Durham Light Infantry, Died of wounds at No. 3 Casualty Clearing Station, France, on 20/6/1915, aged 27.

Captain Anthony Frederick WILDING, Armoured Car Division, Royal Marines, Killed in action in France, on 9/5/1915, aged 31.

2nd Lieutenant William Elric Hawthorne BIRCH, 6 Bn Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry, Killed in action at Hooge, Belgium, on 31/7/1915, aged 23.

Lieutenant William Owen Nelson ROUT, 10th Highland Light Infantry, Killed in action in France, on 25/09/1915.

Lieutenant William Armstrong BURGES, 1st Battalion Royal Irish Rifles, Killed in action at Neuve Chappelle, on 10/03/1915.

2nd Lieutenant Ian Patrick CAMPBELL. Killed in action at Richebourg l'Avoue, France, on 9/5/1915

Major Charles Eric CLOUGH, 1st London Dvisional Coy., Army Service Corps, Died of other causes in France, on 12/05/1915.

Captain James Robert COOK, 21st Punjabis, Killed in action at Ypres, Belgium, on 26/04/1915.

Captain Harold Bickley Drewe HUGHES, 3rd Bn Warwickshires, Killed in action at La Bassée, France, on 16/05/1915.

2nd Lieutenant Sidney E PIERCE, King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, died aged 25.

Commander Joseph Armand SHUTER, Royal Navy, Died of other causes at London, on 16/09/1915.

Lieutenant Percival Wainman MCGRATH, Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve, 'Drake' Bn. Royal Naval Division, Died of wounds aged 42.

Captain Reginald Manning HERON, South Nigerian Forces (3 Battalion Cameron Highlanders), Died at London, England, March 1915.

Thank you very much for that. It's really interesting. Do you want any more names - I can give you that of my uncle, who is buried in France, having been killed by a shell on a mess tent, I think, and, as I mentioned earlier, was serving in the British army - or is this just a fraction of what you have and you don't need any more details?

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Posted 02 October 2007 - 10:12 AM

QUOTE (MelPack @ Oct 1 2007, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
higvin

If you go to Geoff's wonderful search engine here:

http://www.hut-six.c...bin/search.html

and type in Australia as a keyword then you will come up with 829 hits that have an Australian connection.

Remember these are only UK casualties from the CWGC where additional details have been recorded by relatives.

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Thank you - invaluable, I'd never have found the site otherwise

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Posted 02 October 2007 - 10:16 AM

QUOTE (stevebecker @ Oct 2 2007, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mate,

As to details I have noted in my data base of this conection;

ADAMS Robert John AIF brothers James 6 LHR, Francis 53Bn and William British Columbia Regt - step brother Cyril Dransfield LROC,

ALBAN Rolls Charles Stacpole AIF father Maj Alban Indian Army & brother LtCol Clifton Alban Lancashire Regt DSO MC British Army,

BELL Walter Wentworth AIF father in British Army,

BUCHANAN Cecil Gordon Gray AIF father Col JR Gray-Buchanan British Army,

BURT Albert Gordon AIF brother Frank Lt British Army KIA,

DUCKWORTH Matthew AIF brothers George 28Bn KIA and Henry 12 KLR British Army (My own family),

EGAN Ernest Arthur AIF two brothers KiA with British Army,

ELLIS Streater AIF father Capt RA Ellis British Army,

ELSBURY William Henry AIF brother Arthur Lt London Regt and Tank Corps British Army,

FITZGERALD Michael Maurice AIF brother LtCol James Morris British Army.

Mate this is just a start I have many more of these conetions.

S.B

Thank you. It does look as though this was not all that unusual a thing to do. I guess the bonds between Australia and Britain were much stronger then.

QUOTE (Andrew P @ Oct 2 2007, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In my research I have found the main ways for Australians to be serving in British Units in the war were;

They were called up as part of the Imperial Reservists;(which means these were the largely British born men who were living in Australia)
They were studying or working in England when war was declared;
They may have decided to pay their ship fare and head to Brirtain to enlist as they may have preferred to serve with a British unit or maybe were knocked back for service with the AIF;
At some stage during the war they transferred to the British Army from the AIF.

This link may be of interest
http://1914-1918.inv...showtopic=76050

It lists the units and numbers of men who sailed from Australia as Imperial Reservists.

Regards
Andrew

Thanks for your help and the link.

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 01:12 AM

Mate,

Not surprisingly Aussies still travel to the UK to enlist in the British Army, I know of a few who did and meet a number while I was attached to the British Army in the UK and in the (BAOR) and in Bosnia.

Aussies also enlisted in the US Army as both British and US personal enlist in the Australian Army.

There is a lot of cross pollenizeation between all countries.

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 07:45 AM

QUOTE (stevebecker @ Oct 3 2007, 01:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mate,

Not surprisingly Aussies still travel to the UK to enlist in the British Army, I know of a few who did and meet a number while I was attached to the British Army in the UK and in the (BAOR) and in Bosnia.

Aussies also enlisted in the US Army as both British and US personal enlist in the Australian Army.

There is a lot of cross pollenizeation between all countries.

S.B

I am surprised. Why do Australians travel to the UK to enlist in the British Army today? Are there opportunities on offer in the British Army that they can't have in the Australian Army? Are they people who have been living in Britain for ages, although still Australian nationals? Thanks for any insights. It is really interesting.

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 09:55 AM

Australia was still part of England and even though many people from England were here some of them were here because of work. They were working here and sending money back to England. It was also a very patriotic time ... it was for King and Country. They went back to England no doubt because they considered it home as opposed to Australia which was just where they worked.

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 11:34 PM

Mate,

Another reason was that the British Army saw more action then our army.

I served during the post Vietnam years where the aussie army was like one of our furry animals that you can't export or shoot at.

The British Army offered a chance to visit interesting people and places, and in the off chance you can get to shoot at them.

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 09:42 AM

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Mate,

Another reason was that the British Army saw more action then our army.

I served during the post Vietnam years where the aussie army was like one of our furry animals that you can't export or shoot at.

The British Army offered a chance to visit interesting people and places, and in the off chance you can get to shoot at them.

S.B

Thanks Steve