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#1 winchman

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 10:13 AM

My grandfather Charles Henry Stevens was Engine Room Artificer on HMS Edgar from June 1915 to April 1918.

I know that she was at the Dardanelles but I wonder if anyone knows of the history of that ship between those dates or can give me a clue as to where I can find any information.

He was awarded "chevrons". I imagine that they were stripes. Can anyone tell something about them ?

Would I find his service details on-line at the National Archives or would I have to pay a visit to Kew ?

Information would be much appreciated.

Winchman

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 12:12 PM

QUOTE (winchman @ Oct 26 2007, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My grandfather Charles Henry Stevens was Engine Room Artificer on HMS Edgar from June 1915 to April 1918.

I know that she was at the Dardanelles but I wonder if anyone knows of the history of that ship between those dates or can give me a clue as to where I can find any information.

He was awarded "chevrons". I imagine that they were stripes. Can anyone tell something about them ?

Would I find his service details on-line at the National Archives or would I have to pay a visit to Kew ?

Information would be much appreciated.

Winchman


There are 4 x Charles Henry Stevens whose records are available online. Do any of these stand out?

Name Stevens, Charles Henry
Official Number: 234767
Place of Birth: Eastbourne, Sussex
20 November 1887 ADM 188/416

Name Stevens, Charles Henry
Official Number: J17174
Place of Birth: Midhurst, Kent
20 August 1895 ADM 188/681

Name Stevens, Francis Charles Henry
Official Number: F45027
Place of Birth: Camden Town, London
21 December 1899 ADM 188/637

Name Stevens, Charles Henry Arthur
Official Number: 224314
Place of Birth: Bexhill, Sussex
09 October 1887 ADM 188/395

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 12:18 PM

There appear to be some articles about H.M.S. Edgar in the Gallipolian Magazine:

Gallipoli Association

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 12:22 PM

QUOTE (winchman @ Oct 26 2007, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My grandfather Charles Henry Stevens was Engine Room Artificer on HMS Edgar from June 1915 to April 1918.

I know that she was at the Dardanelles but I wonder if anyone knows of the history of that ship between those dates or can give me a clue as to where I can find any information.

He was awarded "chevrons". I imagine that they were stripes. Can anyone tell something about them ?

Would I find his service details on-line at the National Archives or would I have to pay a visit to Kew ?

Information would be much appreciated.

Winchman

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 12:26 PM

World War 1 Service: Edgar
1914 10th Cruiser Squadron Northern Patrol.
February 1915 Rearmed and given anti-torpedo bulges.
1915-1916 Dardanelles.
1917 Aegean.
1921 Sold for scrap.
http://www.worldwar1.../hms-edgar.html

Pictures
http://www.battleshi...edgar_class.htm

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 12:31 PM

Stripes/ chevrons were issued for each year of war service and also a war gratuity for the years served.

RN Official (service) Numbers were unique and meaninful, so if you have that finding his record is much easier.

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 12:37 PM

Edgar was damaged by a torpedo from the Austrian submarine U 29 on April 4, 1918 at 35°06'N, 14°24'E.

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Posted 26 October 2007 - 12:44 PM

H.M.S.Edgar was one of the group of nine first class cruisers that formed part of the Naval Defence act 0f 1889.She had 9.2in. guns mounted. one each end of the vessel, with four 6in. guns on the main deck and six on the upper deck.
displacement 7350t. and a crew of 544.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE (winchman @ Oct 26 2007, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My grandfather Charles Henry Stevens was Engine Room Artificer on HMS Edgar from June 1915 to April 1918.

I know that she was at the Dardanelles but I wonder if anyone knows of the history of that ship between those dates or can give me a clue as to where I can find any information.

He was awarded "chevrons". I imagine that they were stripes. Can anyone tell something about them ?

Would I find his service details on-line at the National Archives or would I have to pay a visit to Kew ?

Information would be much appreciated.

Winchman


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Thanks for that. Unfortunately My Charles Henry was born in Hull in Jan 1881. Maybe I should have mentioned that he was in the RNVR. Does that make any difference?

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE (Northern Soul @ Oct 26 2007, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There appear to be some articles about H.M.S. Edgar in the Gallipolian Magazine:

Gallipoli Association

Best wishes.

Andy.


Andy, I've checked that site out and it looks very promising - I will check it out.
Thanks for that.

Peter

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 12:48 PM

QUOTE (stan johnson @ Oct 26 2007, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
H.M.S.Edgar (1898)


Stan, that's a great picture. Thanks

PS I live just down the road from you in Eaglescliffe

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 12:53 PM

QUOTE (per ardua per mare per terram @ Oct 26 2007, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
World War 1 Service: Edgar
1914 10th Cruiser Squadron Northern Patrol.
February 1915 Rearmed and given anti-torpedo bulges.
1915-1916 Dardanelles.
1917 Aegean.
1921 Sold for scrap.
http://www.worldwar1.../hms-edgar.html

Pictures
http://www.battleshi...edgar_class.htm


Per Ardua - 2 good sites. The pics are excellent. Thanks

Peter

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 01:00 PM

QUOTE (Michael Lowrey @ Oct 26 2007, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Edgar was damaged by a torpedo from the Austrian submarine U 29 on April 4, 1918 at 35°06'N, 14°24'E.

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Michael, that's very interesting. My grandfather was on the ship in April 1918 but I don't have a date but I assume that he was on board at the time.

Do you mind if I ask you the source of your info?

Peter

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 06:11 PM

Yes, it makes a lot of difference; RNVR records are not online and are stored in different files at Kew. They are in ADM 337, and are stored in service number order.

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 06:47 PM

QUOTE (winchman @ Oct 29 2007, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you mind if I ask you the source of your info?

Peter


Hi Peter,

see TNA-file ADM 137/3531 "damage by torpedo to H.M.S. EDGAR"

also diary of austrian U 29, who confirms the place and time.

U 29 didn't recognize EDGAR as an cruiser, not even as an warship, instead, she thought to have torpedoed an auxiliary-cruiser !

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Posted 29 October 2007 - 07:47 PM

I haven't anything to add but if researching HMS EDGAR don't get confused by HMS EDGAR, shore base next to the Forth Bridge although it is much later than the Great War era.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 08:25 AM

QUOTE (Malcolm @ Oct 29 2007, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I haven't anything to add but if researching HMS EDGAR don't get confused by HMS EDGAR, shore base next to the Forth Bridge although it is much later than the Great War era.

Aye
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Thanks to you all for the valuable information.

It will all go towards completing my family history

Peter

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 12:44 PM

QUOTE (Lörscher @ Oct 29 2007, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Peter,

see TNA-file ADM 137/3531 "damage by torpedo to H.M.S. EDGAR"

also diary of austrian U 29, who confirms the place and time.

U 29 didn't recognize EDGAR as an cruiser, not even as an warship, instead, she thought to have torpedoed an auxiliary-cruiser !

Oliver


Thanks Oliver

I found the file on the TNA last night and will be ordering a copy.

My grandfather served on the ship until 22 April. I wonder if this was because of the torpedo attack.

Best wishes Peter

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 06:04 PM

Hello,

My Great Uncle Samuel Williams served as a stoker on HMS Edgar for a time, as well as HMS Lion.


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I came across this photograph of the crew on Flickr:

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The reference on Flickr is:



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