There is a man Arthur Pinkney on Kenmore memorial as a Stoker R.N.
There is an Aaron Pinkney, but can find no Arthur Pinkney
His connection to Kenmore is unknown, can't find wedding or birth cert in Scotlands people, can't find MIC or CWGC
I have found in Scotsman archives an Arthur Pinkney The sole survivor of a family murdered by the father Timothy Pinkney on 13th Nov 1905. Healington nr York
He slit his throat after killing wife Hannah Pinkney and children Elsie 10 John 8 Madge 4. In the arms of dead mother was very young Arthur Pinkney, suffering from fearful injuries, but still alive.
Could this be Kenmore Arthur Pinkney the Stoker
In Kenmore there was an orphanage, where I have found three men who were killed in great war, and are on Kenmore memorial. Have not found Arthur at Orphanage, but one other boy and brother, were also from a family murdered by their father. Both murderers were ex service men.
Can anyone help find Arthur Pinkney a Stoker in R.N. and is he the young Arthur Pinkney in the story?
Cheers Mike

How about:


Charles Arthur Pinkney

There is a Thomas James Pinkey {The Father??} in RN Records {twice} from Co Antrim enlisted 1888.

Pinkeys RN Link

Thanks Myrtle and Harry, I will try both. Perhaps Arthur wasn't his first name. Maybe Arthur Pinkney in Healington, is not the one.
Mike

Mike
In the 1901 census Charles Arthur Pinkney lived in Heslington with his parents John and Sarah and siblings therefore it is possible that he was related to the other Arthur Pinkney that you have mentioned.
Myrtle

Cheers Myrtle I still have to find a connection to Kenmore. They could be related. There should also be a CWGC entry for Arthur too, unless he is Charles Arthur. The murder/boy may be nothing to do with it. I found the story and put together with the other murder/orphan it seemed a possibility.
Strange?
Cheers Mike

Mike
I would have thought that if the boy who survived the murder was called Arthur Pinkney and was from Heslington there is a very strong possibility that he was related to Charles Arthur Pinkney who had also lived in Heslington, however as you say you need to prove an Arthur Pinkney connection to Kenmore. I know that when I have checked casualties on Welsh memorials I have found orphans who were transferred to orphanages considerable distances from their places of birth.

Myrtle

Mike, Admiralty casualty records have:

PINKNEY, CHARLES A., STOKER 2c, K 41542 , VICTORY, 29-Apr-17, ILLNESS.

It is not unusual for someone to be listed on a memorial only by the forename they were known by.

Best ishes
David

Duplicate post. See post #11.

Duplicate post. See post #11.

Mike.

For background info, I tried searching The Times for the Pinkney murders in 1905 but, for the life of me, I couldn't find anything - not a sausage! This is the sort of thing the newspapers lapped up (still do I suppose) so I was very surprised not to find any reports of the incident or any subsequent court appearances. Occasionally searching for something in The Times yields no result even though it IS there (an indexing problem). Can you directy me to any ordinary websites that have some info on the murders so that I could then cross-check details with The Times? Also, you're sure about the spelling - it is Pinkney?

regards,
Martin

Thanks for the replies Martin. I found the story in the Scotsman Archives typing in ' Arthur Pinkney' 1914-1918 found it by accident. Pinkney is the spelling on memorial, but that means nothing. Have seen spellings Pinckney .
Scotsman costs £7.90/day.
Thanks for your interest and help
Mike.

If he was the surviving baby I guess he would have had some scars left by the attack ??
Are there any medical records for him (including distinctive marks) available to look at anywhere?

Martin, when "The Guardian" archives were free to search, I found 'gossipy' stories that were not reported in "The Times".

Kath.

That's interesting, Kath. I might just have to admit defeat (on that angle). Had another go at The Times and still nothing. Sometimes if there's something else happening, like a war, or other important world events, some smaller stories don't make it in. The only Pinkney's I could find were in the tennis results.

regards,

Martin

PINKNEY, CHARLES A., STOKER 2c, K 41542 , VICTORY, 29-Apr-17, ILLNESS.

Thanks David, missed this earlier, will see if I can find more.

His association with Kenmore isn't known, yet. There was an orphanage in Kenmore at this time, and three other men who died in ww1 grew up there. Two brothers , one who died ww1, also were orphaned by a father ( ex army ) murdering the family. Have not found Arthur Pinkney/Kenmore yet.

Mike

Found this in Scotsman dated April 19th 1917, I take it that means acting leading seaman ?

Mike.

Scotsman dated Tue 14th Nov 1905, if this was Stoker Pinkney, he might just have been old enough.

Mike

I'm at the local archives tomorrow here in Harrogate, which as you may or may not know is the next town to York. I will have a quick scan through Nov/Dec 1905 on the off chance it's mentioned there -you never know!!

Cheers Kim, appreciate that.
Mike.

Hi Mike

I've trawled through two of the three local papers but haven't found anything yet.

I'm back there again next week so will check the last paper.

Hi Mike

Just found this on FreeBMD
Deaths, York, Dec Quarter 1905.

Pinkney Elsie 9
Pinkney John 46
Pinkney John George 8
Pinkney Madge 3
Pinkney Sarah 46

Gerry

1901 Census
Heslington, Yorkshire

Pinkney John (Head) 42
Pinkney Sarah (Wife) 41
Pinkney Elsie (Daug) 4
Pinkney John George (son) 3
Charles Arthur (son) 2
Elizabeth Eva (Daug) 2 months


Gerry

The parents' names tie in with those in CWGC for Charles Arthur Pickney - post 2

Myrtle

Nice find, Gerry. Seems to match. Arthur may have been his preferred name but was actually Charles Arthur, which matches the CWGC entry that Myrtle found above. The additional info gives his parents as "Son of John and Sarah Pinkney, of Flawith, Alne, York." I think the age given on his CWGC entry is incorrect (27, died 1917). His RN service record suggests that he was about 18: Charles Arthur Pinkney
D.O.B. as 17 November 1898, born York, Yorkshire.

If it is indeed him, then I guess the only question is the original one: what was his connection with Kenmore?

Sad, isn't it. He survives such an horrific, traumatic event in his childhood, only to go to war to serve his country and die at 18 years of age.

regards,
Martin

With his whole family gone, I wonder if he was adopted after he had recovered from his injuries and his adopted family lived somewhere near Kenmore. Just a guess. Although his natural parents' names are given on CWGC..

The parents being named as Timothy and Hannah is another example of how inaccurate newspapers can be!

I had a look at the 1901 census yesterday and could only find the Pinkney family already quoted above as being the only possible family.

The wife/mother, Sarah, comes from Hampsthwaite - which is the next village to us and where my daughter goes to school.

There is a wedding for John Pinkney and Sarah Cooper in 1879 in Knaresborough district (so right area).

Considering this I'm surprised I haven't found anything on it - I shall search VERY carefully when I go on Wednesday!!!

As his natural parents names are on the CWGC site maybe he wasn't adopted but taken in by close relatives - living in the Kenmore area.

Do you happen to know his mother's maiden name - in case her parents took him in? Also any married female relative such as an aunt would, of course, have a different surname from him.

Edit: Oh Kim, you've just answered my question. So maybe he lived with a Cooper family?

Actually, just noticed that the article from the Scotsman you posted, Mike, says he was R.N.V.R. That service record for Charles Arthur Pinkney was R.N.

This marriage looks as if it could be the one !

Marriages, Easingwold, Sep Quarter 1894.

John Pinkney
Sarah Barker


Gerry

Good find Gerry - that would ties in (the dates) better for the children.

For reference:

Well, you folks have been busy on my behalf. Thanks very much, really appreciated. Will have good look through all posts and see what's what. Never seen one of these before, but here's N/A form.
Mike

Edit
I think without the 1911 cencus it will be difficult to tie him to Kenmore, I think it very likely that he did live in orphanage. Will try find school records, or some local newspaper items.
Again many thanks for your sleuthing, Top notch.

Oh, sadly the Wounds, Scars or Marks section is blank.
I would like to have seen some evidence to show that he survived an attack as a baby.
A negative result, of course, means nothing here. Maybe he wasn't given a full physical examination for this form. Maybe any scars have faded to insignificance.

Mike
I notice that he was only with the navy for 2 months before he died. Does it say that his occupation was Baker, Bolter or something else?

Myrtle

Well spotted Myrtle, Baker it is I think. That's another bit of info. Why would a Baker be a Stoker?, does that make sense, or was he a Baker before joining Navy?
The plot thickens.
Cheers Mike.

Mike.

The occupation given on RN service records is before joining. My grandfather's occupation says Footman.

regards,
Martin

Mike
So it appears that Charles Arthur Pinkney was a baker before he joined up. You may be able to narrow down possible employers in the Local Trade directories of the time which may give you some clues when looking for information in the local Kenmore newspapers.
Seems to me that there would have been many similarities in working conditions for bakers and stokers at that time.
Myrtle

Yes it does.
There is only one A Pinkney listed online for the RND:
Name Pinkney, Aaron
Service Number(s): Z/2400
Rank or Rating: Able Seaman, Acting Leading Seaman, Revert Able Seaman
Date of Birth: 31 May 1895
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=6

I have come across Aaron, and have seen him discounted on another site. They could well be wrong with Arthur, who knows?
The hunt continues, thanks very much for your continued input.
Much appreciated Mike.

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=102068

There is this man too

Edit, this'll be Aaron then DOH!

Yes, the clue is Service No: T[yneside]Z/2400.

Oops!

I finally got to look at the final newspaper yesterday and no luck I'm afraid!! I have to say I'm amazed it's not in there as it would be quite a big 'thing' at the time - especially with the wife being from one of our villages. The newspapers covered quite an area and I certainly saw things which happened in Middlesbrough being quoted which is a LOT further away than York!!

Anyhow ............

I suggest you contact York library which holds the newspaper for (surprisingly) York and district. The upside of this is they will research for up to half an hour free of charge!!

Quote:

If you are researching your own family or local history you can make your visit to us more worthwhile by contacting us first. Written requests for information (letters, faxes or emails) will be acknowledged within 10 working days. We will undertake research on your behalf for up to half an hour free of charge. You will be consulted before any research which would attract a fee is undertaken.

End quote.

Link: 'HERE'

Their contact details are on the top right of the page.

Come back and let us know if you get anything - I'm interested in this now!!

Thanks very much for all your help. I am off tomorrow and will get in touch . I will keep you posted on any new information.
It's a mystery.
Cheers Mike.

According to this Times article 14th November 1905, the surviving Pinkney child had a thumb severed.

I know that the service records above is brief, but I'm surprised if no one noticed if a recruit had a thumb missing.

Right enough, I imagine they would have picked up on that.

Maybe that isn't our man then.

As far as the orphanage angle goes; is it possible the authorities might have changed his name, to shelter him from the public, and from his own early trauma. Then when old enough, he was told the truth, and reverted back to his original name. I mean could he be listed in the cencus under a false name?
Bit far fetched?

Mike.

Have just emailed York Library, will post any news.
Cheers Mike.