I purchased an album of small photographs last year and seven of them were taken at the Victory Parade of Dominion Troops on May 3, 1919. They are not brilliant quality but I thought I would share them here. Does anyone know the route of the parade (I do know it went past Australia House) and where in London these images might have been taken?

Picture 1



Picture 2


Picture 3

Picture 4


Picture 5

Picture 6

Picture 7

Thanks for these.
Had a quick look and if you go here,

http://cas.awm.gov.au/PROD/cst.acct_master...r&bos=Win32


and put this in the search terms....VICTORY PARADE LONDON 1919 choose all words
and next line, First World War
then you should get a few photos with captions that help with placement.

Let me know if you have any probs.

Cheers
Kim

I must admit getting a bit excited about your picture 4 matching one of the AWM's, but on closer zoom, the grey in your photo is a solid grey and the rider appears to have emu plume on hat, and the one in the AWM photo is a dapple grey, the rider of the dapple grey does not appear to have emu plumes, and the rider of the darker horse, looks very much like Chauvel, but no plume, which one would expect him to have.
Two photos, so very very close!!!

ID Number: P05058.018
Maker: Unknown
Place made: United Kingdom: England, London
Date made: 19 July 1919
Physical description: Black & white
Summary: A contingent of mounted Australian soldiers make their way through the streets of London (past Lockharts Dining Rooms and J P Restaurants Ltd) in the Victory parade to celebrate the end of the First World War.
Credit line: Donor J Aitken
Copyright: Copyright expired - public domain
Copyright holder: Copyright Expired

Ozzie,

Thank you for your findings and observations. I had not seen AWM set before even though I'd searched previously.
I have found other photos from the May event here
The AWM selection you highlighted seems to include photos dated July 19, 1919 whereas the Victory Parade of Dominion Troops took place on May 3, 1919. The album I have states the pictures were taken in May, so the one you think is close may actually be different people on a different day. I do, however, have my doubts about the dating by the AWM bearing in mind the similarities with the Flickr set.

The Victory March for Dominion troops was indeed in May. (What must it have felt like to stand and watch!)

July 19th was Peace Day, which included a Victory March. (!)

http://www.aftermathww1.com/peaceday.asp

Regards
CGM

G'day all,
It looks like photo Number 2 is the King with Monash on his left. Photo 4 is LTGEN 'Harry' on the left (Henry. G. Chauvel).
Richard

Richard - probably not the King - according to a newspaper report in the Argus, the King was a spectator:

Argus, Mon 5 May 1919:
DOMINIONS MARCH
Royal Spectators
The march of dominion troops through London on Saturday took place in glorious weather. The whole route was thronged with cheering crowds. Canada led, then came the Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans, and Newfoundlanders as named. The King stood on a dais with the Queen and the Prince of Wales and Prince Alexander of Connaught. On the ground in front of the dais were the Minister for War (Mr Winston Churchill) and a group of army commanders, including Sir Douglas Haig, Sir Herbert Plumer, and Sir William Birdwood. On either side of the dais were Royal guests, including the High Commissioner (Mr Andrew Fisher) and Minister for Defence (Senator Pearce) of Australia. Opposite to the dais were several hundreds of wounded dominion soldiers seated. Sir Harry Chauvel and Sir John Monash led the Australians. Sir Harry Chauvel joined the King on the dais till the Australians had passed. The King repeatedly questioned him regarding the various units. Fourteen aeroplanes manoeuvred over the procession, but no dare-devil tricks were attempted.

Cheers, Frev

Thanks Frev,
Have you got details who they were then/ l can spot Monash and 'Harry'.
cheers
dekenai

Date made might not necessarily be date taken???? And it is labelled Victory parade.

Frev, ta for the additional.



Richard, thought I spotted him.

Cheers
Kim

More pictures can be found here
I thought the dias was at Australia House, but this May article doesn't feature it.
Anyway it looks like the route started at Hyde Park with Australia House being a midway turning point.

Nice to see this tread taking off over the last few days.
I hadn't realised there were famous faces in the pictures, it is a pity the Chauvel one is blurred.
It is also a pity they are quite small and do not have any more detail than is shown.

David,

thanks very much for sharing these photos with us, for me the fact they are a bit blurred just adds to the magic of them.

Although I was born and bred in London I don't have a clue as to the loacttion, although in picture three there is i think a tempting bit of a street sign showing half way up a building but try as i might I cannot pick anything out.

Its also possible that these building could have been destroyed during WW2. Has anybody picked up the exact route on any of the internet searchs already done so we could possibly work out where they were taken?

Regards and best wishes,
Scottie.

Scottie,

Thank you for your post. It got me looking more closely at the pictures and the album I have.
One of the other pictures in the album shows Allington Street - so off I went to Google Maps.
At the end of Allington Street is Buckingham Palace Road and I'm pretty sure I have found the view today.



The parade was moving South down Buckingham Palace Road.

David,

good bit of detective work! Looks like you may have placed it, well done!

Regards and best wishes,
Scottie.

CEW Bean Official History of Australia in the War of 1914–1918 - Volume VI
The Australian Imperial Force in France during the Allied Offensive, 1918 (1st edition, 1942) Chapter XX1 - The War Ends, page 1072.


"The AIF took part in several famous parades through London - on Anzac Day (25th April) 1919; on May 3 in the Dominion Troops march; and on July 19 - the Victory March."

There may be clues here, but I can't find them digitilzed.

http://www.awm.gov.au/findingaids/private/pearce.xml#eleven

http://cas.awm.gov.au/film/F00031

I put Dominion march London- ww1 - in search and got the following. Unfortunately they have not been put up, but they do give a description of some of the route taken.



D00585
Electronic image currently unavailable
Title: London, England. 3 May 1919. Lieutenant General Sir John Monash and Aide-de-Camp at the head of the Australian Imperial Force detachment passing Hyde Park corner on the occasion of the Dominion ...

D00588
Electronic image currently unavailable
Title: London, England. 3 May 1919. The saluting base in front of Buckingham Palace where His Majesty, King George V took the salute of the Dominion troops on the occasion of their march through London
D00591
Electronic image currently unavailable
Title: London, England. 3 May 1919. General Currie at the head of the Canadian section passing along Buckingham Palace Road, during the march of the Dominion troops through London. Crowds line the street
D00579
Electronic image currently unavailable
Title: Australian Infantry, marching in double column, passing the Wellington Arch at Hyde Park Corner during the march of Dominion troops through London.
D00581
Electronic image currently unavailable
Title: Rear view of Australian Light Horse passing the Wellington Arch, at Hyde Park Corner, during the march of Dominion troops through London.
D00593
Electronic image currently unavailable
Title: Australian Infantry entering Buckingham Palace Road during the march of Dominion Troops through London. Crowds line the street.



Then if you do the same again, victory march London – ww1
You get a lot of photos that are able to be viewed and with descriptions of which road they are in.

I am wondering was the same route taken for both marches???


Link is
http://cas.awm.gov.au/PROD/cst.acct_master...r&bos=Win32


Cheers
Kim

I don't know the old?? new?? roads, but having a look on Google map, and remembering that later in July they marched down The Strand, could the route have been The Strand, The Mall to the Palace? (In today's map). Given that they went past Wellington's arch etc.???

David, I can not find Allington Street?
Hey, I'm just an Aussie trying to understand your roads. !!!

Cheers
Kim

OK found Allington, but why would they take that road after passing the palace???? Or on going to the palace. I ain't been to London ( but I have seen the Queen), and google does not give North South??

Ozzie,

I hope I haven't confused you. I only mentioned Allington Street as this is where another photo in the album was taken. It was not on the route but probably where the couple lived. They just popped to the end of the road, and junction with Buckingham Palace Road, to see the parade. You can see Allington Street in the new picture I posted going off to the right and a shop with an "a" just below the road sign.

However, I still find it strange they were going in this direction down Buckingham Palace Road if they were travelling from Hyde Park to Aldwych (Australia House). Also, thank you for your searches that confirm the King was outside Buckingham Palace taking the salute of the troops - but was this at the start or end of the march?

Very good question, that. I have no bleedin' idea!
One would imagine that they would parade towards the King, so my guess is towards the end of the March. A finale of sorts?

BTBW Thank you for reminding me of street view!

Hoping to and planning on a UK leg of a trip next year, (look out, the Foursome might be coming!!) and have just spent toooo long looking at all the things we need and want to see when we get there!! I was going to have an early night! Yeah, right!

Cheers
Kim

Where might the parade have formed up? and finished? Horse Guards Parade??
Wherever it was would have had some bearing on the choice of route.

A colour photo taken of one of the parades:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/...old-colour.html

Great photos! Ta for the link.

Cheers

Just came across a couple of very long & informative “Times” articles on the march. Apparently the procession began & ended at Hyde Park:

“The troops are to assemble in Hyde Park near the Marble Arch at 11.45, and after a meal will move off at 1.40.”
[The Times, 3rd May 1919]


The procession began at..... “Hyde Park by Grosvenor gate, entered St James’s Park at Hyde Park Corner, passed down Constitution Hill in front of Buckingham Palace, (where the King’s dias was set-up between the pillars of the open gates) out through Buckingham-gate into Victoria-street, and so by Whitehall, Charing-cross, and the Strand to Australia House, whence it turned up Aldwych and Kingsway and along Holborn and the Oxford Streets to the Marble Arch.”
[The Times, 5th May 1919]


Cheers, Frev

Well done Frev!!

Many thanks frev

Excellent detail - but that route misses out Buckingham Palace Road completely. maybe it was a little detour?
My guess is they didn't go out through Buckingham Gate at all and went past the Royal Mews & Victoria Station.
If correct the pictures above are from early in the parade around 2pm.
I think the last picture (my favourite) was taken later in another road as there are people standing closer to the horses.

With reference to Ozzie's post #16, I searched out all pictures listed on the AWM site.

Australian War Memorial index of photographs of the event on May 3, 1919 in numerical order:

D00578 Australian Artillery passing the Wellington Arch at Hyde Park Corner
D00579 Australian Infantry, marching in double column, passing the Wellington Arch at Hyde Park Corner
D00580 An Australian band, at the head of the Infantry, passing Hyde Park Corner
D00581 Rear view of Australian Light Horse passing the Wellington Arch, at Hyde Park Corner
D00582 The South African Scottish band passing Hyde Park Corner
D00583 The Australian Light Horse passing Hyde Park Corner
D00584 Australian infantry passing Hyde Park Corner. In the background is the Wellington Arch.
D00585 Lt. Gen. Sir John Monash and Aide-de-Camp at the head of the AIF detachment passing Hyde Park corner
D00586 An Australian brass band passing Hyde Park Corner
D00587 Australian Infantry marching in double column at Hyde Park Corner
D00588 The saluting base in front of Buckingham Palace where His Majesty, King George V took the salute
D00589 South African troops passing Buckingham Palace, headed by their mascot, a springbok
D00590 Their Majesties, King George V and Queen Mary, and suite at the saluting base in front of Buckingham Palace
D00591 General Currie at the head of the Canadian section passing along Buckingham Palace Road
D00592 Canadian Infantry passing down Buckingham Palace Road
D00593 Australian Infantry entering Buckingham Palace Road
D00594 The New Zealanders, headed by their band, entering Buckingham Palace Road
D00595 Australian Light Horse entering Buckingham Palace Road
D00596 Canadian Artillery entering Buckingham Palace Road

It certainly suggests a different route to what The Times printed.
Pity that none of these images are currently online.

Hmmm…..I have no idea where any of these places are……having not looked at a map, or been to London….YET!! (which might all change next year, hey Kim)…..but anyway, here’s a more detailed section from the Times article of the 3rd May: (probably should have transcribed it first!)

ROUTE AND ORDER OF MARCH.
The troops are to assemble in Hyde Park near the Marble Arch at 11.45, and after a meal will move off at 1.40. The infantry battalions will carry their colours, and bayonets will be fixed in the Park. They will be unfixed on the march, after the men pass the King. There will be a 10-minute halt at 3 o’clock, by which time the head of the procession should have reached High Holborn. It is estimated that it will take the troops at least an hour and a quarter to pass a fixed point.
The following table gives the route and the approximate time at which the head of the column should arrive:-

Grosvenor Gate (Hyde Park) 1.40
Hyde Park Corner 1.50
Constitution Hill 1.54
Buckingham Palace 2.00
Buckingham Palace-road 2.06
Victoria-street 2.18
Whitehall 2.25
Charing-cross 2.35
Strand 2.38
Round Australia House 2.50
Kingsway 2.52
High Holborn 3.00
Ten Minutes Halt
New Oxford-street 3.15
Oxford-street 3.25
Marble Arch 3.40
Hyde Park 3.45


Does this make more sense?

That is more like it, thanks frev.
Yes, this route makes sense to me but it means this time Buckingham Gate was not used despite it being reported on the 5th.
If you can find Buckingham Palace on Google Maps the rest of the early route should fall into place.

A few more pictures (in New Oxford Street this time) can be found at:

http://www.archives.presbyterian.org.nz/ph...ry14/page4.html

There was also a film made:

http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/title/21750

Pal's,
(David & Frev)
thanks for these updates, really enjoying the detective work going on! Pity those images mentioned on the AWM index are not on line!

Regards and best wishes, (and keep up the good work)
Scottie.

David,

Pic 6 of the field gun certainly looks like the same one in the photo from the NZ website. In fact I think I can vaguely make out the same building in both photos...........but that could just be my imagination also!

Pic 7 - although the features of the officer on horseback are pretty indistinct, from what we can make out and the portly figure, it does remind me of Brigadier General Harold 'Pompey' Elliott.

In addition, there are film previews of both the May and July marches available for download at http://www.britishpathe.com/
Also, there are some more photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nationallibra...ons/3056448997/

Both of these have similar views and you can recognise contingents in the march from the photo's you've posted at the start of this thread (including the field gun again).

Cheers,
Tim L.

Worth checking this group on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nationallibra...ol-londonatwar/

and here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nationallibra...ol-londonatwar/

There are several different images within this Flickr group

I have a framed photograph that I will post in due course entitled H.Q. Staff 2nd Canadian Div taken during the march of Dominion Troops through London, May 3rd, 1919. All the officers in the photograph are named.

Difficult to get a good image through the glass.

I have this postcard.