Below is the full Turkish map attributed to Esha Pasha Commander III Turkish Corps dated 4 August 1915 supplied by Jeff (More Majorum) as mentioned on the Turkish Machine Guns at Gallipoli thread

Posted for information of those interested.

Cheers
Chris

Joseph,

A better shot of the Suvla section of the map as requested. Hope this is clearer

Cheers
Chris

Chris,

Much better many thanks.

Regards Charles

Thanks Chris,

There are a couple of interesting observations that arise from this map.
Seeing as it is dated 4th August, it would indicate that the Turkish high command had indeed dismissed the idea of an advance by the British on the Sari Bair Range from the north of Anzac.
With blowing this map up to seek the machine gun positions above Quinn'e Post and Pope's Hill, it is noticeable that the lack of machine gun posts being marked on the map to the North Anzac, would support that suggestion.
For the six Turkish machine gun positions thought to be above Russell's Top on the 7th August, only two are evident. One, as C.E.W. Bean has recorded, at the head of Monash Gully, and another further back on Baby 700, at possibly trench junctions "X" or "Z", as marked on the "ANZAC TRENCH DIAGRAM, No. 3", dated 20th July 1915.
According to NZ&A Division intelligence from the beginning of August, there was thought be one machine gun at "Y" junction, to the left of Baby 700 as it begins to rise up to Battleship Hill, and two more over looking Malone's Gully on Baby 700 at trench "E6", ranged to put down enfilade fire on the Nek from the left. The remaining one was thought be lower down towards the Nek at possibly "S" junction. None of these guns are marked on Esha Pasha's map.
The only other machine gun I can find on this map, marked in red pencil, to the north of Anzac and around Suvla Bay, is one at what looks like Table Top, between Sazli Beit Dere and Chailak Dere. Very difficult to determine exact positions, as this map is very roughly drawn.

I would suggest that this leads to three possible scenarios.
1. The suspected machine guns were not actually in place up to the 4th August. Highly unlikely.
2. Esat Pasha's HQ has not been informed of all the machine gun emplacements that were in position on the 4th August. Possible.
3. The machine gun symbols marked on the map represent roughly were guns are in place, not the precise positions or numbers of machine guns in place at each position. Most probable.
If we take point three as the 'most probable', this would support the notion that there were no machine guns in place to the north of Anzac beyond the one marked at Table Top and the Suvla Bay area was only lightly garrisoned, as both the British and Turkish histories tell.

I would be interested in further thoughts on the details, or lack of, the map outlines, and to whether such scenarios have any merit.
To have the Ottoman captions translated would be gold. The Regiment and other numbers can be worked out, some of the Ottoman script guessed at, but the vast majority, I have no idea.

Jeff

Thanks very much for this map, Chris. I hadn't seen it before.

Jeff, I'll be quick (it's too late here to think properly). Not positive about Ottoman MGs on Sari Bair, but given the relative dearth of defences north of Battleship Hill, I doubt it. From memory, there is at least one MG in the foothills, and this is captured by one of the NZMR Regiments. Possibly Table Top as you suggest, but I would need to re-check my notes (I'm sure Pugsley or Bean mention this).

As for Suvla, there were no MGs there on 6 August. Major Willmer himself acknowledges this. Rather, the mountain guns (two batteries of 4 guns each: 7.7 cal) were used as infantry close-range weapons.

Hope that helps, time for bed.

Rhys

Jeff

The printed Ottoman Script sections of the map are geographical locations and descriptions. Interesting in themselves for a geographer dealing with physical objects without a time line, they shed no light on what you are seeking.

Cheers

Bill

Bill,

Are you able to read Ottoman script? I have a map of the operations in Palestine with a lot of Ottoman script in pencil I am wanting to get interpreted.


Cheers,
Hendo

This is the Anzac Sector includng the beach south of Gaba Tepe on Esat Pasha's map:

Hendo, email me, I'll see what I can do.

Cheers
Kim