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Armidale
Thank you, to Bill CUMMING, 38th Bn AIF.
armourersergeant
Remembered, not forgotten.

RIP
Michelle Young
It isn't 4th October here yet, but I remember on 4th October 2410 Cpl Ernie Serls, 13 Platoon, D Coy 44th Btn AIF. Killed in action near Zonnebeke, buried Tyne Cot.

Never Forgotten

Michelle
Armidale
Quote "It isn't 4th October here yet,"

Sorry, (but I waited to check if his name came up as 'today's' remembered person.)

And Thank YOU, Ernie.
banjo
Also Lt W.J McMullin MC,k.i.a.4/10/1917,13th FAB,buried Vlamertinghe New Military Cemetary.An Anzac.
Fedelmar
Remembering 2809 Pte Harold George Day 44th Bn aged 19 DOW 4.10.1917 Battle of Broodseinde buried Nine Elms Cemetery.

Still loved and remembered today.
Armidale
'Tyne Cot' or 'Tyne Cottage' was the name given by the Northumberland Fusiliers to a barn which stood near the level crossing on the Passchendaele-Broodseinde road. The barn, which had become the centre of five or six German blockhouses, or pill-boxes, was captured by the 3rd Australian Division on 4 October 1917, in the advance on Passchendaele. One of these pill-boxes was unusually large and was used as an advanced dressing station after its capture. From 6 October to the end of March 1918, 343 graves were made, on two sides of it, by the 50th (Northumbrian) and 33rd Divisions, and by two Canadian units. The cemetery was in German hands again from 13 April to 28 September, when it was finally recaptured, with Passchendaele, by the Belgian Army. TYNE COT CEMETERY was greatly enlarged after the Armistice when remains were brought in from the battlefields of Passchendaele and Langemarck, ....

It is now the largest Commonwealth war cemetery in the world in terms of burials. At the suggestion of King George V, the Cross of Sacrifice stands on one of the pill-boxes in the cemetery.

There are now 11,956 Commonwealth servicemen of the First World War buried or commemorated in Tyne Cot Cemetery. 8,369 of the burials are unidentified but there are special memorials to more than 80 casualties known or believed to be buried among them.

The TYNE COT MEMORIAL forms the north-eastern boundary of Tyne Cot Cemetery and commemorates nearly 35,000 servicemen from the United Kingdom and New Zealand who died in the Ypres Salient after 16 August 1917 and whose graves are not known. The memorial stands close to the farthest point in Belgium reached by Commonwealth forces in the First World War until the final advance to victory.
Armidale
Casualty Details
Name:CUMMING, WILLIAM JOHN
Nationality:Australian
Rank:Private
Regiment/Service:Australian Infantry, A.I.F.:38th Bn.
Age:22
Date of Death:04/10/1917
Service No:5990
Son of Margaret Jane Cumming, of Bridgewater-on-Loddon, Victoria, and the late Thomas Wylie Cumming.
Grave/Memorial Reference:Panel 7 - 17 - 23 - 25 - 27 - 29 - 31.
Memorial:YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL


Casualty Details
Name: CUMMINGS, WILLIAM GORDON
Initials: W G
Nationality: Australian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 20
Date of Death: 04/10/1917
Service No: 4763
Awards: M M
Additional information: Son of William George and Ellen Cummings, of Urquhart St., Horsham, Victoria. Native of Echuca, Victoria.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 7 - 17 - 23 - 25 - 27 - 29 - 31.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL



The cemetery description in the preceding post was extracted from the CWGC site.

One might be forgiven for believing that most of the AIF casualties for 4/10/17 would be remembered at Tyne Cot. Of the 5 especially remembered so far today, only one is there.
frev

Thankyou for remembering my great uncle Bill.

Sharing his story:

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WILLIAM JOHN CUMMING was born at ‘Sorbie Farm’, Kerang (Victoria) in 1894. He was only 9 years old when his father died, mere weeks after the family had moved from Kerang to Bridgewater, and it was here that his mother took over the sole rearing of himself and his 5 siblings.

Bill finished off his schooling at the Bridgewater State School, and then following in his older brother Andrew’s footsteps, went on to work as a farm labourer for the Sloan family, and also became a member of the Bridgewater Brass Band.

He grew into a good-looking young man with blue eyes, black hair and a pale complexion, and apparently was a great favourite with the ladies. His special girl however, was one of the Swales girls, whose family lived on a small farm/orchard on the banks of the Loddon River, some 2-3 miles upstream from Bridgewater. This would probably account for his swimming prowess, and the fact that he liked nothing better than to go for long swims up the river. He was also a very keen footballer.

When his brother Andrew was fatally wounded at Lone Pine in the August of 1915, Bill was a month shy of his 21st birthday. Andrew’s death left Bill the sole supporter of his mother & youngest sister, and it’s very likely that he spent the next 6 months in ‘discussion’ with his mother, a very formidable woman, in regard to enlistment.

It was the 1st of March 1916, when Bill became a Private (no. 5990) in the 38th Battalion at Bendigo. Then in the May he was transferred to the 19th Reinforcements of the 6th Bn, and temporarily promoted to Lance Corporal. Finally he embarked at Melbourne on the A32 Themistocles on 28th of July 1916, and disembarked at Plymouth, England on the 11th of September, from where he proceeded to Larkhill.

The 24th of September saw him returned to his previous rank of Private, and back in the 38th Bn. This placed him under the command of Maj-Gen John Monash, who had devised an intense training scheme for the raw recruits of the 3rd Division, which included a stint in the ‘realistic’ Bustard trenches on Salisbury Plain.

During the next two months Bill managed to strike up two minor offences, the first being 'disobedience of orders in that he failed to carry a gas helmet as ordered', and secondly he was charged for a 'shortage of clothing'.

The 38th Bn proceeded to France on the 22nd of November 1916, and landing at Le Havre, were immediately subjected to their most grueling march ever, the 7 mile hike, under full pack, up the long hill to Rest Camp No. 1.

Leaving the camp they traveled to Bailleul, where they underwent their final training before moving into the mud and water-filled trenches at Armentieres. The 38th Battalion’s initiation came on the 1st December when they relieved a NZ unit in the line near Houplines. Here they endured the appalling conditions for 10 days, before being relieved by the 40th Bn. During this time they were also introduced to the fighting, when they managed to repulse a German raid on the night of the 9th.

The 38th took part in their first major raid on the 27th February 1917, when they attacked against the 23rd Bavarian Inf Regt. The whole operation was over in little more than half an hour, and although it proved fairly successful, Bill found himself amongst the 103 Australians that were wounded. He’d received a gunshot wound to his right wrist, which fractured the bone, and was admitted to the 10th Aus. Fld. Amb., then No. 1 Can. CCS, before being transferred on the 3rd of March to the 13th Gen Hosp. in Boulogne.

On the 6th March he embarked on the Cambria for England, where he was admitted to the 1st Eastern Gen. Hosp. After his release from hospital on the 27th April, he enjoyed a couple of weeks furlough, and traveled to Scotland, where he visited his mother’s 93 year old Aunt, who in turn wrote to her niece to say she’d seen him and he was okay. He reported back at Weymouth on the 12th May and was marched out to the Overseas Training Depot at Perham Downs.

Returning to France on the 26th June, Bill spent a couple of weeks at the Base Depot at Rouelles, before rejoining his unit at the Messines front on the 13th of July. Mid August they began a months rest by the coast near St Omer, where further training was intermingled with sports. Towards the end of this break Bill was taken sick with Pyrexia (fever), but was discharged back to duty on the 22nd September, the same day that Haig visited their camp for an inspection.

A few days later they were on the march to take their part in the Passchendaele campaign. Their first attack became known as the Battle of Broodseinde Ridge and took place on the 4th of October 1917. This was the first time that the 3rd Division had fought along side other Australian divisions, and it was to be Bill’s last.

While the troops were waiting for zero hour, 6am, the Germans began their own attack, and whether Bill escaped the ensuing barrage to take part in the hand-to-hand fighting is not known. What is known is that he didn't make it through the day. He had just turned 23 the month before.

One small mention in Bill’s records shows he was buried in the vicinity of D 15 / 00. (?), but like so many, his remains were either not relocated, or not identified, and like his brother Andrew, he has no known grave. He is commemorated on The Menin Gate Memorial, Ypres, Belgium, as well as various Memorials in Australia.

Never having married, his Will dated 5/7/1917, left all his belongings to his mother; and his letters, photos, notebook and a razor were all sent back to her in late 1918. His mother was also granted an additional £2 p/f pension as from the 13/1/1918, over and above that she was already receiving in respect of his brother, Andrew. Bill's sister Reta, who lived with their mother, and was also partly dependent on him, was granted a pension of 10/- p/f as from 17/1/1918.

It’s believed that Bill and Andrew’s previous employers, Messrs John Sloan & Sons, a prominent farming family in the district, had helped the Cumming family purchase their house, and after Bill’s death they waived any debt his mother still owed. The home, which she also called ‘Sorbie’, became her centre of strength in a world devoid of sense.

Cheers, Frev
frev

Thank you - Ernie Serls, who I was able to pay my respects to on my visit to Tyne Cot in 2007.
Also Harold Day, Lt McMullin, the other William Cumming/s, and all the other brave men who gave their lives for us. Thank you all.
Armidale
In Memory of
Gunner ERIC BURGESS

1674, 14th Bde., Australian Field Artillery
who died age 21
on 04 October 1917
Son of Ernest Henry and Elizabeth Hulls Burgess, of 124, McKillop St., Geelong, Victoria, Australia.
Remembered with honour
THE HUTS CEMETERY




In Memory of
Gunner JOSEPH BIRD BURGESS

11920, 14th Bde., Australian Field Artillery
who died age 25
on 04 October 1917
Son of Ernest Henry and Elizabeth Hulls Burgess, of 124, McKillop St., Geelong, Victoria, Australia.
Remembered with honour
THE HUTS CEMETERY


How could I have almost missed the opportunity to again thank Joe and Eric. They lie in adjacent graves, and brought a tear to the eyes when I first noticed them there in 2003.
Michelle Young
Now 4th October in the Northern Hemisphere! Regrettably I can't be at Tyne Cot to say G'Day to Ernie but I'll always remember him today and every day.

Michelle
Andrew P
Remembering the men listed above. For the 5th October 1917 Lt Walter Elgar Hale of the 12th Battalion was killed by a shell.
Elgar was an original Anzac landing at Gallipoli on April 25th. He had been reported killed to his family after the Anzac Landing and was mourned at home for two months before that mistake was rectified. Unfortunately in October 1917 his family received another telegram which was unfortunately this time accurate.

Also Cpl Michael Gleeson of the 28th Battalion who died of his wounds on the 5th October and is buried at Lijssenthoek. His Uncle had been killed at Gallipoli, and a brother was also lost at Pozieres.

Remembering them all
Armidale
ID Number: [/b]E00833
Maker: Hurley, James Francis (Frank)
Western Front: Western Front (Belgium), Menin Road Area, Hooge

Date made: 5 October 1917

Supporting troops of the 1st Australian Division walking on a duckboard track near Hooge, in the Ypres Sector. They form a silhouettte against the sky as they pass towards the front line to relieve their comrades, whose attack the day before won Broodseinde Ridge.


Just about my favourite WW1 pic.

I would love to be able to ID the men, but given the time & the place, it is probably better that we can't. (same rationale as the "Unknown Warrior")
cockney tone
Remembering them all.

Thank you for the freedom that I enjoy.

RIP

Scottie.
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