Still searching for a Captain/Commander Hunt of HMS Glory when she was in Archangel July 1919. Does anyone have a reference or photo showing her crew at that time. My grandmother may have got the name or post wrong. She was however invited and smuggled on board to have tea with him on the 7th July, the day before her birthday. I believe she was staying in the residence of Admiral Kemp in Archangel. Her brother was Kenelm Everard Lane Creighton, at that time on the New Zealand (battle of Jutland) and this captain Hunt said he had been at college with him at Greenwich which was his excuse for inviting her to tea!

Also trying to put fact to account of a Stanislas Shaldolkas, secretary to Bolsheviks, and my grandmother refers to him as being high up in the party.

Any ideas???

Hi there Harriott

No sure whether you've seen this link, but there are some images of HMS Glory as well as some of some of the crew.

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hms_glory_1899.htm

Can't seem to find much more on her at this time.

You may be able to find out more information on the forum associated to that site.

There is no "Google" reference to Stanislas Shaldolkas (that spelling anyway)
George

Harriott.

Creighton was on HMS New Zealand at Jutland but he wasn't still on that ship in July 1919. The Naval Appointments column in The Times indicates he was appointed to the Victoria and Albert, the Royal yacht, in April 1919:

The Times, Thursday, Apr 17, 1919
NAVAL APPOINTMENTS
COMMRS.- ..
K. E. L. Creighton (N.), and J. M. PIPON, to Victoria and Albert
(April 15).

In his obituary in The Times, published 28 Feb 1963, it states:

"When the royal yacht Victoria and
Albert was put into service again in April,
1919, Creighton joined her as navigator,
for three years."

Admiral Lord Jellicoe went on a tour of the Empire in HMS New Zealand from Feb 1919 to Feb 1920, so unless this tour took in Russia, it's unlikely the battlecruiser was in Archangel in July.

About the start of Creighton's career, his obituary says he "entered the Britannia as a naval cadet in 1896 and went to sea as midshipman two years later". I'm not sure if Britannia and the naval college at Greenwich were one and the same (perhaps someone can clarify). His obituary does go on to say that he was "Captain of the R.N. College, Greenwich, from 1928-29", after the event you're talking about.

If you haven't done so already, as suggested in the previous thread, it might be worth getting a copy of his service record. It won't answer your question but may provide some clues.

regards,

Martin

Harriott.

The training ship Britannia was at Dartmouth.

And I may have found your man. It may have been Wilfrid Ward Hunt, who attainted the rank of Captain. Here's his RN service record (he was born 26 July 1883):
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=1

The reason I think it might be him is because I found Kenelm Creighton's name in a list of examination results for Britannia (04 Aug 1898) and then found Hunt's name in a similar list for Britannia just four months later (15 Dec 1898). See attached. Creighton was one of 12 midshipmen presented to the admiral on his prize day.

In Jan 1899, W. W. Hunt (naval cadet) was posted to the Majestic. In Jan 1900, the Doris (as Midshipmen). Later, in 1911, he was Lieutenant:

The Times, Thursday, Apr 06, 1911
Lieuts.- .. W. W. Hunt,
to the HECLA, additional, for the CHEERFUL, in
command, on commissioning, to date, April 8.

Wilfrid Ward Hunt married Miss Sophy Morant, third daughter of Admiral Sir Digby and Lady Morant, 27 May 1911. He was given as the younger son of the late Mr. George Eden Hunt, of Wadenhoe, Northants.

regards,

Martin

Britannia (Dartmouth) and the naval college at Greenwich were different entities. Britannia trained naval cadets; the naval college at Greenwich was for further education.

Scroll down for pics of Britannia http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/port...p;_harbours.htm
http://www.oldroyalnavalcollege.org/

I stand by my suggestion back in September that the Hunt in question is Robert Gregory Maze Hunt - he would have been the closest contemporary of his on The Navy List and thus most likely to have studied at Greenwich with him:

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...=133838&hl=

Service Record here:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=3

Simon

If Kenelm Creighton's obituary is to be rellied on, he didn't go to Greenwich, at least not as a young officer. It says he was educated at Fermoy College, Ireland, entered Britannia as a cadet in 1896 and went to sea 2 years later. At the surrender of the German High Seas Fleet, he was serving as navigator of H.M.S. Queen Elizabeth and Master of the Fleet. He was the Captain of the R.N. College, Greenwich, from 1928-29, and Director of Navigation at the Admiralty in 1929-31. He retired on promotion to rear-admiral on 11 Feb 1934, at the age of 51.

Below are R. G. M. Hunt's Britannia examination results. They appeared 19 Dec 1901.

Have just found that Commander Wilfrid Ward Hunt was loaned to the RAN from 1919 to 1922, so that might explain why he doesn't appear in the navy lists (RN) at that time, Simon. He does appear in the RAN navy lists for those years:
http://www.navy.gov.au/Publication:Navy_List

Here's his RAN service record (he served on HMAS Brisbane and HMAS Melbourne):
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.as...mp;I=1&SE=1

If July 1919 is definite for this event in Archangel, then Simon's finding looks more promising (W. W. Hunt was at London Depot from 10 July), even though W. W. Hunt would have been at Britannia around the same time as Creighton (R. G. M. Hunt was a couple of years later).

regards,

Martin

Martin, while Creighton's obituary doesn't mention Greenwich it's fairly certain that he would have to attend to study for his Lieutenant's examinations, around the age of twenty. If my memory is right, at a certain stage of an officer's life they'd be in and out or Greenwich fairly often for courses or examinations - the three year age difference between R. G. M. D. Hunt and Creighton seems close enough to me for them to have been contemporaries.

Thank you for the link on R.A.N. Navy Lists - bookmarked!

Simon

Has anyone looked up which officers were serving on HMS Glory in 1919 in the Navy List?

Are they online like the Australian ones?

We should be so lucky!

A quick check of the service records of R.G.M.D. HUNT and W.W. HUNT reveals that neither seems to have served on HMS GLORY, at least not that I can make out (some writing is a little scribbled). Here's a quick summary of part of their service.

R.G.M.D. Hunt in command of M 32 (from 22 Sep 1916), then was appointed to Fox as additional for special (?) service from 9 Jun to 30 Jul, 1919. The timing of this is interesting. Could Fox have been in Russia at the time? Then in command of M 24 and Cicala (?).

W.W. Hunt seems to have been in Gibraltar early 1919, then, as mentioned before, was loaned to the RAN from Jul 1919. I notice that his ship on return to the RN was HMS GLORIOUS (could this have been the ship of the family story, I wonder?). GLORIOUS was a light cruiser during WW1 and was converted to an aircraft carrier (from 1924). However, she went into the reserve fleet in early 1919 based at Devonport, so it's doubtful she would have been gallivanting around in Russia later that year.

The hunt (!) continues...

Martin

Part of their service records attached: R.G.M.D. Hunt, followed by W.W. Hunt.

HMS FOX was at Archangel in 1919:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_Fox.jpg

Some interesting information and photos on the North Russian Expeditionary Force (1919) here:
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1z05NorthRussia.htm

I don't think it beyond the realms of possibility that R.G.M.D. Hunt, whilst on FOX in Archangel, dined with other officers on HMS GLORY when the latter ship was there.

Martin