Some time ago I saw, either in a publication or on the internet, a page showing two photos - they were before and after photos (both B & W) of Todd's Road in 1915 and some time later. The 1915 one showed men walking up and down, whilst in the later one erosion had occurred.
I have spent months trying to re-discover these pictures without any success at all.
If anybody has any information about where I might have seen them, I would be extremely grateful.
Many thanks
Judy
Full Version: Todd's Road, Russells Top
Judy,
You have me intrigued, I know of know photograph of Todd Road. Russell's Top, per-say. A search of the AWM "Collections" brings up no photographic material by that name for Russell's Top, let alone Gallipoli. A Google search reveals nothing either.
It may be the road up Walker's Ridge onto Russell's Top, so named by men of a particular unit, but not its universal name used by other units.
Todd Road on the maps and sketches of the period was one of the main communication trenches leading from around Mule Cart Road, running around the edge of Mule Gully between Walker's Ridge and Russell's Top, working its way across Russell's Top to the old No. 0 Sap, which in turn was the junction for the main trench leading to the firing line across the Nek.
From what I can tell, it was not a road per-say, but a wide and deep trench.
Have look at these two past topics for maps that show Todd Road. Its full length, and route across Russell's Top can be established.
"Trench Maps of more obscure areas, Gallipoli", started by Bryn, May 6th, 2007.
"The Nek, 7th August 1915", started by Bill Woerlee, April 23rd, 2006.
Jeff
You have me intrigued, I know of know photograph of Todd Road. Russell's Top, per-say. A search of the AWM "Collections" brings up no photographic material by that name for Russell's Top, let alone Gallipoli. A Google search reveals nothing either.
It may be the road up Walker's Ridge onto Russell's Top, so named by men of a particular unit, but not its universal name used by other units.
Todd Road on the maps and sketches of the period was one of the main communication trenches leading from around Mule Cart Road, running around the edge of Mule Gully between Walker's Ridge and Russell's Top, working its way across Russell's Top to the old No. 0 Sap, which in turn was the junction for the main trench leading to the firing line across the Nek.
From what I can tell, it was not a road per-say, but a wide and deep trench.
Have look at these two past topics for maps that show Todd Road. Its full length, and route across Russell's Top can be established.
"Trench Maps of more obscure areas, Gallipoli", started by Bryn, May 6th, 2007.
"The Nek, 7th August 1915", started by Bill Woerlee, April 23rd, 2006.
Jeff
QUOTE (More Majorum @ Oct 30 2009, 12:12 PM) 
...Todd Road on the maps and sketches of the period was one of the main communication trenches leading from around Mule Cart Road, running around the edge of Mule Gully between Walker's Ridge and Russell's Top, working its way across Russell's Top to the old No. 0 Sap, which in turn was the junction for the main trench leading to the firing line across the Nek.
From what I can tell, it was not a road per-say, but a wide and deep trench.
Have look at these two past topics for maps that show Todd Road. Its full length, and route across Russell's Top can be established.
"Trench Maps of more obscure areas, Gallipoli", started by Bryn, May 6th, 2007.
"The Nek, 7th August 1915", started by Bill Woerlee, April 23rd, 2006.
Jeff
From what I can tell, it was not a road per-say, but a wide and deep trench.
Have look at these two past topics for maps that show Todd Road. Its full length, and route across Russell's Top can be established.
"Trench Maps of more obscure areas, Gallipoli", started by Bryn, May 6th, 2007.
"The Nek, 7th August 1915", started by Bill Woerlee, April 23rd, 2006.
Jeff
Thank you so much for going to so much trouble in searching. It's just one of those things that has got stuck in my mind that I was sure I'd seen (now I'm thinking MAY have seen). I thought I'd ask on the GWF as there is so much collective knowledge here.
Now I am starting to wonder if I was indeed thinking of the communication trench and getting it mixed up with another photo. I had seen one or two of the maps you referred me to but not some others - so thank you for reference to those topics which I've read in detail.
Judy
QUOTE (judy7007 @ Oct 31 2009, 07:24 AM)
Thank you so much for going to so much trouble in searching. It's just one of those things that has got stuck in my mind that I was sure I'd seen (now I'm thinking MAY have seen). I thought I'd ask on the GWF as there is so much collective knowledge here.
Now I am starting to wonder if I was indeed thinking of the communication trench and getting it mixed up with another photo. I had seen one or two of the maps you referred me to but not some others - so thank you for reference to those topics which I've read in detail.
Judy
Now I am starting to wonder if I was indeed thinking of the communication trench and getting it mixed up with another photo. I had seen one or two of the maps you referred me to but not some others - so thank you for reference to those topics which I've read in detail.
Judy
Judy,
I wonder if it was one of the photographs of Walker's Ridge/Russell's Top taken by Signaller James Pinkerton Campbell, "B" Sqdn, 8th L.H. that you remember having seen. Not sure about the later photograph, must have been from the 1919/20 era, Russell's Top is far to overgrown nowdays to make out the trench systems to the Malone Gully side of Russell's.
If you have not seen the Campbell collection, just run a Goggle search using J. P. Campbell (James P.). This will bring up the entire albumn of 183 photographs held by the National Library of Australia. Not all of Gallipoli, but those that are, are a remarkable record of the 8th L.H. there, from their arriva at Anzac Cove 21st May, up to the 7th August 1915.
Jeff
QUOTE (More Majorum @ Oct 31 2009, 01:06 PM)
Judy,
I wonder if it was one of the photographs of Walker's Ridge/Russell's Top taken by Signaller James Pinkerton Campbell, "B" Sqdn, 8th L.H. that you remember having seen. Not sure about the later photograph, must have been from the 1919/20 era, Russell's Top is far to overgrown nowdays to make out the trench systems to the Malone Gully side of Russell's.
If you have not seen the Campbell collection, just run a Goggle search using J. P. Campbell (James P.). This will bring up the entire albumn of 183 photographs held by the National Library of Australia. Not all of Gallipoli, but those that are, are a remarkable record of the 8th L.H. there, from their arriva at Anzac Cove 21st May, up to the 7th August 1915.
Jeff
I wonder if it was one of the photographs of Walker's Ridge/Russell's Top taken by Signaller James Pinkerton Campbell, "B" Sqdn, 8th L.H. that you remember having seen. Not sure about the later photograph, must have been from the 1919/20 era, Russell's Top is far to overgrown nowdays to make out the trench systems to the Malone Gully side of Russell's.
If you have not seen the Campbell collection, just run a Goggle search using J. P. Campbell (James P.). This will bring up the entire albumn of 183 photographs held by the National Library of Australia. Not all of Gallipoli, but those that are, are a remarkable record of the 8th L.H. there, from their arriva at Anzac Cove 21st May, up to the 7th August 1915.
Jeff
Jeff
Thank you, there are some wonderful images here and I definitely got some clues - photos 163 and 178 in particular, describing a trench with an embankment one side and a fall away on the other. The photos I saw (and my husband now maintains he saw them first and showed me - but at least that confirms a sighting!) were both on the same page - similar to what one sees on "Gallipoli - Before and After" sites.
My husband and I can tend to border on the obsessive at times so work will be going on in the background and if/when we find it we will most definitely let you know. In hindsight we can't believe we didn't record the sighting.
Judy
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