Hello from France,

May be somebody can give me an answer,
I have a question about "Lone Pine Cemetery" in Gallipoli.

(sorry for my English spoken)
It's a pine tree who give his name to the Cemetery, and on this view (on the right side)
http://www.todayisfree.com/360-555-Lone-Pine-Cemetery
I can see a Pine tree, is it the authentic Pine tree ?

Many thanks

Yvan

(If you want to see some 360° panoramic view in Gallipoli, follow this link:
http://www.todayisfree.com/flag-listing.php?letter=Turquie )

Yvan,

From the guide book of Major T. & Mrs V. Holt; 'Gallipoli,' Leo Cooper, 2000, ISBN 0 85052 662-0
"The original tree was soon destroyed, but seeds were taken from a pine in the vicinity after the war and propagated in Australia. One of the resultant saplings was planted as near the original site as could be ascertained."


best regards
Michael

Many thanks for your help Michael,

Et merci au Major T. & Mrs V. Holt.

Yvan

Just adding to Michael,s post.

Prior to the Lone Pine battles the area was covered in Pine forest and was known
as Plateau 400.

Due to the constant shelling this forest was reduced to a single Pine tree and the
name "Lonesome Pine" was given to the area after a popular 1914 American hillbilly song.

The information that I have states that during the August battle two brothers from
Victoria were involved in the capture of Lone Pine , one of the brothers was killed in
the fighting and after the battle he was found by his surviving brother who sent a pine
cone home to Australia to his mother as a memento to where one of her sons was killed.

The seeds were propogated and one tree wae planted outside the Australian War Memorial
and although I do not recall the date,another was sent back and re-planted at Lone Pine.

Since then a large number of trees have been grown and propogation continues at the
Melbourne Botanical Gardens and any service organization or school in Australia who wishes
to have a Pine can ask at the Botanical Gardens.

This information was given to me during a visit to the Shrine of Rememberance in Melbourne.

Not trying to steal your thread Michael , just adding to it with what I was told.


Peter

Many many thanks Peter,
May be, do you remember the name of the brothers ?

Many thanks guys for your help.

I have maybe found the song.
Peter, tomorrow, I will do a translation for the french page.

Peter & Michael, Merci beaucoup pour votre aide.


// on the web I 've found some pictures about Lone Pine Cemetery
is it an important place for ANZAC commemorations ???

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/prom...y.jpg/tpod.html

Yvan

Lone Pine is certainly an important place for Australians.

The Memorial at the Cemetery is the Australian National Memorial where
the Anzac Day service is held on April 25th. after the Dawn Service at the
landing site.

The Memorial is built over Turkish trenches that were captured by the Australians
August 6th.-9th. 1915 , such was the intensity of the battle that 7 Victoria Crosses
were won during the battle.

The Turkish trenches were covered with logs and the Australians had to tear the logs
away to get to the trenches below.

The battle raged for 3 days and nights before the trenches were won.

Beneath the Memorial is a mass grave containing the remains of 2200 Australians and
4000 Turkish soldiers.

Yvan , have you visited or looked up the French Cemetery at Morto Bay , Gallipoli?

In the Ossuarry,s and cemetery are the remains of 10000 French Soldiers the died in
the Campaign.

Hope that this helps

Peter

Yvan

Further to your question regarding the Lone Pine tree , I have added information
below from the Australian War Memorial.

The tree wae propagated from a pine cone that was sent to Australia by Lance Corporal
Benjamin Smith whose brother was killed in the battle for Lone Pine Ridge.

Smith's mother kept the cone for 13 years intil 1928 before planting the seeds.

She grew two seedlings , one of which was planted on 24th. October 1934 by the
Duke of Gloucester on the site of the yet to be built Australian War Memorial in honour
of her own and other's Sons who fell at Lone Pine.

The current Tree at Lone Pine Gallipoli was planted by veterans returning to mark
the 75th. anniversary of the battle in 1990

Again , I hope that this helps.


Peter

Peter,

I am not sure this is correct. A photo of the 4th Battalion attack across the 400 Plateau on 26 April shows them in knee high scrub. The general view is that Lone Pine got its name from a single pine tree growing on the southern lobe of the plateau at the time of the landing and this is what was called the Lonesome Pine. Photo's of the area show low scrub and no sign of shattered tree trunks. Lone Pine covered the southern lobe of the 400 Plateau - the northern lobe was Johnston's Jolly.

Regards
Chris

Chris

Thanks for that.

Will make the correction in my notes

Cheers

Peter

Hi Peter,

Happy to help.

I have just looked up Bean's OH Vol 1 The Story of Anzac. At pp 338 and 339 he describes the 400 Plateau on 25th April and how Lone Pine got its name as follows: p338 "The plateau, covered with scrub-like gorse, ..." p339 The summit of the southern lobe was much wider. In the scrub which clothed it breast high there stood a solitary stunted pine. Trees of any sort, even scrub pine, were rare on Gallipoli; and in the following weeks, when landmarks were being sought, this pine tree, dwarf though it was, gave its name to the position. Artillery officers and observers referred to the tree as the "Lonesome Pine" (from the title of a popular song then current), and the name was gradually applied to the southern lobe of the plateau."

Regards
Chris

Many thanks to Chris, Peter and Michael for help.