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Desmond7
OK .. here's the score.
If you search this forum, you'll find various irish related (north south east west) topics scattered throughout it.
On most occasions, the interested punters will answer.
Therefore, we need to get organised to keep track. Cos we might miss something otherwise.
Solution: Ask the boss to create a specific regional 'sector' for family history enquiries/regimental stuff.
If we need to step outside the box for cross reffing .. that's Ok.
Thoughts please?
BatterySergeantMajor
I am with you

Erwin
PAJORO
QUOTE (BatterySergeantMajor @ Nov 19 2005, 11:25 PM)
I am with you

Erwin
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Can I come in I'm Irish descent/Scottish 3rd generation and my wife is from Galway.

PJ

Denial humbly accepted
Borderman
What, a bit like Thiepval wood? Or Beaumont Hamel for the Canadians? My father's Scots/Irish, my mother Welsh/English and I was born in Germany.

One of my great uncles died at Beaumont Hamel with 1st Border (although if you go there you won't know they had bee involved).

His younger brother survived and suffered/wounded at Thiepval Wood

Another (Maternal Uncle) was wounded at Formelles (oddly he wasn't Australian)

Another (maternal uncle) was shot in the head at Gallipoli. He wasn’t an Ossie either, very odd?!?

Perhaps when He was sorting out those only he knew, he didn’t feel the need to categorize by nationality.

Perhaps this forum doesn’t either. Just a thought.
stephenh
I'll back that one Des

Stephen
Rob B
Sounds good to me.

Rob
kildaremark
I wonder would it possible for the forum to automatically copy any message where Irish, Ireland etc appears to copy into a specified area so that it remains within the general messages but then those with an Irish interest dont miss it - I'm usually after Artillery stuff and the experts might miss it if it was in an Irish only area.

Mark
Desmond7
Can I explain ... this is not an attempt to claim ownership of anything.
Merely a method of keeping track of posts which have a relevant irish connection.
There is no 'bar' on anyone ..
Des
curranl
Hi Des,
I'm always wiling to back anything that gives the Irish a higher profile biggrin.gif , But I'm not too sure what it is you're looking for here - are we talking about a distinct section within the Forum? Some kind of automatic alert system for the Irish if an Irish question gets posted? Something else entirely?

Confused in Clare (a normal state of affairs, it has to be said blink.gif ).

Regards,

Liam.
Eddie Bosano-Andrews
Yes I think that would be a good idea.

I often jump in when I see things about remberance and Ireland and I'm always interested in anything related to the Connaught Rangers or the 10th Irish.
Desmond7
Maybe best thing is to have an alert system? I.E. can we fix settings so we know someone needs help?
I don't want to be 'out on our own' ... but I do fear some people may slip through the net?
Des
Old Chap
Des,
Great idea. My interests are the 1st and 2nd Royal Irish Rifles.

Bill
BatterySergeantMajor
QUOTE (Desmond7 @ Nov 20 2005, 01:43 PM)
Can I explain ... this is not an attempt to claim ownership of anything.
Merely a method of keeping track of posts which have a relevant irish connection.
There is no 'bar' on anyone ..
Des
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What a pity. I started drinking already hugue amounts of Guiness to make compensate my lack of Irish roots. So you mean that this is not necesary? sad.gif

Erwin
Desmond7
I think it is essential that we have that kind of bar!!

Seriously, maybe better to let this one drop as a 'going' issue until forum future is sorted?
Des
brendanclarke
Des,
Count me in.
Brendan
Ozzie
People.
Sorry if I'm telling Grandma to suck eggs, but,
If you type Irish into search and put in In last 7 days, instead of any date, a whole lot of topics with Irish in them come up. Then if you go into each topic, Irish will be HIGHLIGHTED. This way you can trawl all posts with Irish in them very quickly without having to read every posted topic in case there is a reference to Irish. Works same with soldier names, units etc.
Cheers
Kim
Cathyd
I'm with you.

I am interested in the South Irish Horse Regiment.
Jerrymurland
Great idea Des, Royal Irish Rifles and North Irish Horse for me
Jerry
greatspywar
I'm in... ! Somebody was telling about drinking?
I prefer Kilkenny over Guinnes... unsure.gif

regards,

The Beer Archives, I mean The Passchendaele Archives
wig
I dont know where else to post this, but I hope Irish types find it interesting.

Private John Condon - the youngest soldier to die in WW1
WWI 1914-1918


The other day, I noticed for the first time the memorial in Carlow to Lieut Kevin Gleeson, killed in action in the Congo over 40 years ago, writes Kevin Myers.

A million violent deaths or more have followed his in that terrible part of the world, and our planet has not grown measurably safer in the decades that have passed. But there is a measurable unity in the chronic disorder which took his life, and which caused me to pass the memorial to this brave young son of Ireland.

I was going to Waterford for the launch of the fund-raising campaign to erect a memorial to another son of Ireland. It would be fatuous to say he was brave, because we know almost nothing whatever of the last hours of 14-year-old John Condon, who was the youngest British soldier killed in the Great War. Yet far from his particular tragedy entering the folklore of the place where he was from, it was entirely forgotten.

His tragedy was unique only in his youth. As early as the spring of 1915, his regiment, the Royal Irish Regiment, which recruited from Tipperary-Waterford areas, had had over 500 officers and men killed in action. Perhaps as fresh draughts of reservists and new recruits were being readied for the front, the youth of the boy-soldier John Condon got overlooked.

Hence he arrived in the front-line trenches near St Julien which had been under repeated gas attacks for a month. At 2 a.m. on May 24th, 1915, the Royal Irish were stood to arms near Mouse Trap Farm. Twenty minutes later, the gas rolled in yet again from the German positions. Some of the Irish soldiers had respirators. Most didn\\'t. In the final action of what we now know as the second battle of Ypres, the second battalion of the Royal Irish regiment was all but wiped out.

Every officer, bar one, was dead or wounded. The survivors were held together by their sergeant major, Freddie Plunkett, who was to finish the war as a brigadier general, twice recommended for the Victoria Cross, with a DSO and two bars, an MC and a DCM.

No such celebrity awaited John Condon. His war was over, and his bones, and a boot, were only found some seven years later. Moreover, down the years that followed, it became increasingly difficult to talk in public about what had befallen the tens of thousands of Irishmen, and not a few women, who like young Condon had died in the Great War. A new state had come into existence, and it was forging a new identity based on a narrative which actively excluded all those who had followed the almost unanimous advice of their political and church leaders and joined the colours. In time, an amnesia of almost Stalinist rigour consumed this country.

This is particularly perplexing for a people with such a powerful and vigorous memory as the Irish. When I first visited Condon\\'s grave in Poelkappelle cemetery near Ypres in 1984, I discovered that he was buried next to 47-year-old Thomas Carthy, who, according to the cemetery register, had been married to Mary Condon of 34 River Street, Clonmel, Co Tipperary. On returning home, I wrote a letter to the occupiers of that house, asking them if they knew what happened to the Carthy family.

The reply came from a lady in Nenagh, whose grandmother had been Thomas Carthy\\'s sister. The Carthys were Church of Ireland small-town poor. He had been the eldest of (I think) 11 children; her maternal grandmother the youngest. The house at 34 River Street had been demolished in the 1930s, and, over time, most of the family had become Catholic.

So. Fifty years after Thomas Carthy\\'s house was demolished, the local postal authorities in Tipperary were able to track down his great-grand-niece, despite a change in town, a change in religion and two marital name-changes.

To have successfully delivered my letter was a heroic piece of communal memory, and a uniquely Irish one. Yet the culture that could connect such genealogical detail over half-a-century was still prepared to consigned to the dustbin of history the enormous machinery which caused the middle-aged Thomas Carthy to lay his bones alongside those of the boy John Condon, for the rest of time.

But now, finally, inspired and led by the splendid city mayor, Tom Cunningham, and organised by the indefatigably efficient city archivist, Donal Moore, the city of Waterford is undoing that great historic wrong by erecting a beautiful memorial to young Condon. The sculpture is designed by Anne Harpur and Patrick Cunningham, and it is clear from the maquette that it will be hauntingly evocative, its very molecules infused with a sense of loss of so much life, so much hope.

Thus Waterford is finally remembering Private John Condon, 14, Royal Irish Regiment: RIP.
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Roxy
Isn't Guinness good for you?

I've been to Ireland (N&S), can I come to the pub with you?

Roxy
Desmond7
All welcome - but can I make a simple suggestion.

If punters are making a post which is DIRECTLY Irish related. I.E. family history style request ...

Can we use ... 'Soldiers' and then follow a standard of ...

Bloggs, 1st R. irish Fus./2nd R. irish Rifles/etc etc etc

Then we get a chance to help on the requests which really bring people back to the forum. I know that is my experience .. thoughts?
My reasoning is, if people get a decent reaction to that sort of request, they will probably bring more 'info.' meat to the overall table.

Similarly, for posts about 'unit actions' on a regimental basis .. use units and formations and state:-

6th Connaughts 04/17 help
Trench map needed/do you know etc etc

After that, it's every man/woman for themselves.

Des
BatterySergeantMajor
QUOTE (Passchendaele Archives @ Nov 28 2005, 04:38 PM)
I'm in... ! Somebody was telling about drinking?
I prefer Kilkenny over Guinnes...  unsure.gif

regards,

The Beer Archives, I mean The Passchendaele Archives
*



Kilkenny over Guinnes?

Wrong answer: -1 from the jury. laugh.gif

Erwin
BatterySergeantMajor
I don't know if the Condon monument is such a good idea. Myers should have known that there is a lot of controversy around both identity and age of John Condon.
Aurel knows all about this. It seems that this is a myth in the style of the "Massacre of the innocents".

Erwin

Erwin
brendanclarke
QUOTE (wig @ Nov 28 2005, 05:21 PM) *
I dont know where else to post this, but I hope Irish types find it interesting.

Private John Condon - the youngest soldier to die in WW1
WWI 1914-1918


The other day, I noticed for the first time the memorial in Carlow to Lieut Kevin Gleeson, killed in action in the Congo over 40 years ago, writes Kevin Myers.

A million violent deaths or more have followed his in that terrible part of the world, and our planet has not grown measurably safer in the decades that have passed. But there is a measurable unity in the chronic disorder which took his life, and which caused me to pass the memorial to this brave young son of Ireland.

I was going to Waterford for the launch of the fund-raising campaign to erect a memorial to another son of Ireland. It would be fatuous to say he was brave, because we know almost nothing whatever of the last hours of 14-year-old John Condon, who was the youngest British soldier killed in the Great War. Yet far from his particular tragedy entering the folklore of the place where he was from, it was entirely forgotten.

His tragedy was unique only in his youth. As early as the spring of 1915, his regiment, the Royal Irish Regiment, which recruited from Tipperary-Waterford areas, had had over 500 officers and men killed in action. Perhaps as fresh draughts of reservists and new recruits were being readied for the front, the youth of the boy-soldier John Condon got overlooked.

Hence he arrived in the front-line trenches near St Julien which had been under repeated gas attacks for a month. At 2 a.m. on May 24th, 1915, the Royal Irish were stood to arms near Mouse Trap Farm. Twenty minutes later, the gas rolled in yet again from the German positions. Some of the Irish soldiers had respirators. Most didn\\'t. In the final action of what we now know as the second battle of Ypres, the second battalion of the Royal Irish regiment was all but wiped out.

Every officer, bar one, was dead or wounded. The survivors were held together by their sergeant major, Freddie Plunkett, who was to finish the war as a brigadier general, twice recommended for the Victoria Cross, with a DSO and two bars, an MC and a DCM.

No such celebrity awaited John Condon. His war was over, and his bones, and a boot, were only found some seven years later. Moreover, down the years that followed, it became increasingly difficult to talk in public about what had befallen the tens of thousands of Irishmen, and not a few women, who like young Condon had died in the Great War. A new state had come into existence, and it was forging a new identity based on a narrative which actively excluded all those who had followed the almost unanimous advice of their political and church leaders and joined the colours. In time, an amnesia of almost Stalinist rigour consumed this country.

This is particularly perplexing for a people with such a powerful and vigorous memory as the Irish. When I first visited Condon\\'s grave in Poelkappelle cemetery near Ypres in 1984, I discovered that he was buried next to 47-year-old Thomas Carthy, who, according to the cemetery register, had been married to Mary Condon of 34 River Street, Clonmel, Co Tipperary. On returning home, I wrote a letter to the occupiers of that house, asking them if they knew what happened to the Carthy family.

The reply came from a lady in Nenagh, whose grandmother had been Thomas Carthy\\'s sister. The Carthys were Church of Ireland small-town poor. He had been the eldest of (I think) 11 children; her maternal grandmother the youngest. The house at 34 River Street had been demolished in the 1930s, and, over time, most of the family had become Catholic.

So. Fifty years after Thomas Carthy\\'s house was demolished, the local postal authorities in Tipperary were able to track down his great-grand-niece, despite a change in town, a change in religion and two marital name-changes.

To have successfully delivered my letter was a heroic piece of communal memory, and a uniquely Irish one. Yet the culture that could connect such genealogical detail over half-a-century was still prepared to consigned to the dustbin of history the enormous machinery which caused the middle-aged Thomas Carthy to lay his bones alongside those of the boy John Condon, for the rest of time.

But now, finally, inspired and led by the splendid city mayor, Tom Cunningham, and organised by the indefatigably efficient city archivist, Donal Moore, the city of Waterford is undoing that great historic wrong by erecting a beautiful memorial to young Condon. The sculpture is designed by Anne Harpur and Patrick Cunningham, and it is clear from the maquette that it will be hauntingly evocative, its very molecules infused with a sense of loss of so much life, so much hope.

Thus Waterford is finally remembering Private John Condon, 14, Royal Irish Regiment: RIP

Excellent piece even if Myers is not that appealing (to me). All the dead of all wars should be remembered properly.
Brendan
Caryl
I've come across an article from the Daily Mail Jan 31 1917 Title 'Departure from Belfast' 'Played to Station by band of Royal Irish Rifles'

Aricle begins " Despite the early hour large numbers of people turned out in Belfast yesterday to bid farwell to the Rangers..........."


If anyone would like a scan of the whole article which goes on in some length please PM me


Caryl
Joe Walsh
I agree with you, but if there is aplace for the Irish, shouldn't there be a place for Ossies?

Joe
wig
An article in today's Irish Times (20/12/05) discusses a new publication The Unreturned Army, County Louth Dead in the Great War 1914-1918 published by the county's Archaeological and Historical Society and availible from Noel Ross Telephone number 042-9331679 (From UK dial 00353429331679.

Kevin Myers of the Irish Times describes it as a deeply moving, haunting examination of one county's wartime losses.


Wig
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