Seeking information regarding the 11th Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers, D Company, Serving on the Doiran Front, Salonica 1917/18, is there anybody studying this regiment and period. Looking for information about serving soldiers & actions they were involved in, See my earlier post ref Sg J W Pettifor.
I am a new member so hope I am going about this the right way.

Chris, I've posted on a related thread. The Salonika Front is often the 'forgotten one' and I can't think of a forum member that I could direct you towards. It may be worth trying this in the 'Other Theatres' part of the forum, making the word 'Salonika' fairly prominent in the thread title.

from 'Salonika and After' by Collinson-Owen:

There were two attacks on the Doiran front in Spring 1917, the night of 24-25 April and the night 8-9th May. The fighting was on as fierce a scale as any yet seen in the Balkans, and the artillery concentration the heaviest yet known...In the second attack the objective was again the Petit Couronne down to Lake Doiran. Our men showed amazing courage and fortitude in the most forbidding circumstances. They knew it was practically a folorn hope. 26th Div bore the brunt of the fighting on the precipitous slopes, but their position became hopeless and they had to withfraw next day.

Further down the line towards the lake the battalions had some very fierce and costly fighting in the Bulgar lines, but had finally to withdraw. The Bulgar barrage, both artillery and mortar, everywhere claimed many victims, and the conditions of fighting in the dark in such rugged ground cannot possibly be conceived by those who do not know the tumbled surface of Macedonia.

We had tried the impossible and failed...little or nothing was heard of it all at home.

[In the actions of September 1918] our men who had already charged up those pitiless bullet and shell-swept slopes in 1917 knew exactly what was before them..temperatures in the shade of 100+...slopes veiled in dust from the gunfire. Into this roaring inferno our troops went, with the Greeks by their side, to one of the hardest tasks ever given soldiers to do.

...On the right of the western half of the attack the 67th Bigade (inc 11th RWF) were to over-run the Bulgar first line up the steep slopes of 0.6, then after taking in their stride the tangle of formidable but lesser hills known as The Knot, The Hilt and The Tassel which formed the second line, were to attck the west face of the Grand Couronne itself, which was defended by a strong third line...67th Brigade penetrated furthest into the enemy positions.

You can appreciate Chris that there is quite a lot to type out. I'l see if our OCR is operating again, but may I recommend Owen's book, the Official History 'Military Operations - Macedonia' (especially volume 2) and of course 'Under the Devil's Eye' by our very own Messrs Wakefield & Moody (you will find numerous glowing endorsements of this book amongst the threads of the Forum, a few clicks on the search facility will take you to them)

Kate

Thank you for your reply and the information contained within, I have ordered a copy of " Under the Devils Eye " this morning.
I have a copy of the war diary covering the attack on O 2 on 6th May 1918,
This mentions One officer and 9 OR;s missing. Following a study of the CWGC details for the Doiran Cemetry, Greece and the Dioiran Memorial I have identified the following who were missing / killed on that raid I believe.

Recorded by CWGC for Doiran Cemetery, Greece

Captain Whall Walter Edward. MC 7th Btn Somerset Light Infantry attd 11th Btn Royal Welsh Fusiliers

Private 14300 Gadd E 11th Btn Royal Welsh Fusiliers

Private 34203 Burness Malcolm B Machine Gun Corps, 67th Company

Private 7/ 19020 Smith H 8th Btn South Wales Borderers / Machine Gun Corps attd 67th Company


Recorded by CWGC for Doiran Memorial, Greece

Serjeant 15481 Pettifor JosephWilliam 11th Btn Royal Welsh Fusiliers

Private 68898 Alabaster J 11th Btn Royal Welsh Fusiliers

Private 24241 Carter JWH 2nd Btn Kings Own,Royal Lancaster Regiment

Private 235344 Jones John 11th Btn Royal Welsh Fusiliers

Private 13968 Jones WJ 11th Btn Royal Welsh Fusiliers

Private 68890 Walters Emrys 11th Btn Royal Welsh Fusiliers

This I believe is the only record of the men who were killed on that day.

The War diary for 7th May 1918 records a " Patrol lead by Lt J Tinniswood and 121 OR,s procceeded to within a short distance of PILL BOX and found two bodies which they were unable to bring in owing to bombs being thrown and rifle fire opened and woundng two men seriously. "

Am I correct in thinking that some bodies would have been recovered at a later date and identified which results in a marked grave and the remainder were not recovered or identified. Seens strange for what was a small engagement in a small area. Suppose some may have been buried by the Bulgarian forces. Is it possible that in this type of action that missing in action could cover prisoners who later died away from the front.

Have not carried out any research on these other soldiers yet.

My Mistake 121 OR;s should be 12 OR,s. Does anybody have a copy of the War Diary from 9th May to end of September 1918.

I can transcribe and post the section I have if of interest.

Chris

Dear Chris

Hope you enjoy 'Under the Devil's Eye' when it arrives on your doorstep. Although the 11th RWF do not figure that prominently (due to Simon and I being unable to trace much in the way of private papers from those serving with the unit) the book should give you a good idea of the style of warfare and general campaigning conditions in Salonika.

You may also like to consider joining the Salonika Campaign Society as it is likely that there are members who also have an interest in the 11th RWF. The Society's website is www.salonika.freeserve.co.uk
I am currently the Chairman and Kate, who posted here earlier, is one of our members. She will in fact be giving this year's campaign talk at the AGM (just a reminder Kate - as if you really needed one!!!).

Regards

ALAN

Hi
I found out yesterday(11/12/07) that my Grandfather (14284 Private David J Lewis) served with the 11th Battalion, 22 Division, Royal Welsh Fusiliers, although It can not be 100% sure because I have not been able to find his service record and because 60% of them have been lost during WW2 I am not likely to find them. However I found out that documentation has come to light regarding blocks of Regimental numbers and their issue to Service Battalions. It would appear that numbers 14000 - 14999 were issued to the 11th Battalion and as you can see my Grandfathers number falls in that batch. And for me this was a very interesting discovery, because I and my family had allways thought that he had served on the Western Front, but this means that he landed in France on 5th September 1915. The 11th arrived on 3rd - 6th September 1915. The 11th Battalion was part of 22 Division and was very quickly re-deployed to Macedonia in October 1915. It served for the rest of the war on that front. So as I suppose you have also found that most of the records written regarding WW1 are written regarding the Western Front, so it would be nice if we could share any information that we may find, I have noted the replies that you already have (I hope you don't mind) and hope we can colaberate futher.

Grant M Hicks

my grandfather also served in the 11th, 39088 a.cpl James Lucas, we have cards sent to him the in 1916 and a photograph from 1917 after being wounded. I did some work with the war diaries many years ago at the RWF museum in Canaravon. we have one photo that states he was in the 1/5 battalion, but all the rest say 11th battalion, 67th bde, 22nd British division. He also served in the labour corps whilst recovering from wounds, Mespotomia and Egypt according to old photographs. he had a different number for the LC, but as you can see very different number with the RWF from what you stated. A battlefield promotion (again according to family) from capturing 2 Germans (yes some were there) asleep whilst he was on a patrol!

I have the medals to Pte William Bowler, 11th Royal Welsh Fusiliers, date of death 13/9/1918, commemorated on the Doiran Memorial. If I have read correctly this would be just before the Battle of Doiran. Would anyone have information on what the war diary for the 11th RWF says on or around this date?

/Lars


Name: BOWLER, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Welsh Fusiliers
Unit Text: 11th Bn.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 13/09/1918
Service No: 77061
Additional information: Son of Charles Bowler, of Chadderton; husband of Ellen Bowler, of 4, Perth Square, Lee St., Chadderton, Oldham.