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Hi Dave, 
A terrible sacrifice in those dark times. My thoughts are with them.
In my small village a family lost 3 sons too.
Name: NICHOLLS, JOSEPH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: South Staffordshire Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 15/08/1916
Service No: 7614
Additional information: Son of William and Sarah Nicholls, of Mill Lane, Wombourn, Wolverhampton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: B. 27. 2.
Cemetery: ST. SEVER CEMETERY, ROUEN
Name: NICHOLLS, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: South Staffordshire Regiment
Unit Text: 1st/5th Bn.
Age: 36
Date of Death: 28/09/1918
Service No: 17325
Additional information: Son of William and Sarah Nicholls, of Mill Lane, Wombourne, Wolverhampton; husband of Louie Nicholls, of Bates Buildings, Penn, Wolverhampton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 6 and 7.
Memorial: VIS-EN-ARTOIS MEMORIAL
Name: NICHOLLS, THOMAS
Initials: T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: South Staffordshire Regiment
Unit Text: 4th Bn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 24/03/1918
Service No: 39275
Additional information: Son of William and Sarah Nicholls, of Wombourne, Wolverhampton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Special. Mem. C. 39.
Cemetery: BANCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY
Just to think of all the families that suffered like this is numbing !!
Cheers
Tim.
A terrible sacrifice in those dark times. My thoughts are with them.
In my small village a family lost 3 sons too.
Name: NICHOLLS, JOSEPH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: South Staffordshire Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 15/08/1916
Service No: 7614
Additional information: Son of William and Sarah Nicholls, of Mill Lane, Wombourn, Wolverhampton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: B. 27. 2.
Cemetery: ST. SEVER CEMETERY, ROUEN
Name: NICHOLLS, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: South Staffordshire Regiment
Unit Text: 1st/5th Bn.
Age: 36
Date of Death: 28/09/1918
Service No: 17325
Additional information: Son of William and Sarah Nicholls, of Mill Lane, Wombourne, Wolverhampton; husband of Louie Nicholls, of Bates Buildings, Penn, Wolverhampton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 6 and 7.
Memorial: VIS-EN-ARTOIS MEMORIAL
Name: NICHOLLS, THOMAS
Initials: T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: South Staffordshire Regiment
Unit Text: 4th Bn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 24/03/1918
Service No: 39275
Additional information: Son of William and Sarah Nicholls, of Wombourne, Wolverhampton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Special. Mem. C. 39.
Cemetery: BANCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY
Just to think of all the families that suffered like this is numbing !!
Cheers
Tim.
Mine too:
Name: LILLIMAN, JOSEPH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment)
Unit Text: 9th Bn.
Date of Death: 09/08/1915
Service No: 12833
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 150 to 152.
Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL
Name: LILLIMAN, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Company Serjeant Major
Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment)
Unit Text: 16th Bn.
Date of Death: 10/10/1916
Service No: 25502
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 10 C 10 D and 11 A.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Name: LILLIMAN
Initials: W H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment)
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 05/10/1915
Service No: 22248
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: DI. 6.
Cemetery: POTIJZE BURIAL GROUND CEMETERY
Name: LILLIMAN, JOSEPH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment)
Unit Text: 9th Bn.
Date of Death: 09/08/1915
Service No: 12833
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 150 to 152.
Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL
Name: LILLIMAN, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Company Serjeant Major
Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment)
Unit Text: 16th Bn.
Date of Death: 10/10/1916
Service No: 25502
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 10 C 10 D and 11 A.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Name: LILLIMAN
Initials: W H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment)
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 05/10/1915
Service No: 22248
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: DI. 6.
Cemetery: POTIJZE BURIAL GROUND CEMETERY
These two are from Bradford, killed on Hill 60 during the gas attack on the 2nd West Ridings. I don’t know if they are related.
Leonard Dunn,
Private 3/11068
2nd Bn. Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)
Date of Death: 05/05/1915
William Dunn,
Private 3/12173
2nd Bn. Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)
Date of Death: 05/05/1915
Tony.
Leonard Dunn,
Private 3/11068
2nd Bn. Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)
Date of Death: 05/05/1915
William Dunn,
Private 3/12173
2nd Bn. Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)
Date of Death: 05/05/1915
Tony.
Three men from Leeds, one buried in France, one in Belgium, one in Gallipoli. I have visited all three.
Name: DYE, OSBORNE
Initials: O
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Marine Light Infantry
Unit Text: Plymouth Bn. R.N. Div
Age: 22
Date of Death: 06/06/1915
Service No: PLY/142(S)
Additional information: Son of Robert and Ada A. Dye, of 41, Green Hill Lane, Wortley, Leeds. Native of Low Wortley. A railwayman.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sp. Mem. A. 47.
Cemetery: REDOUBT CEMETERY, HELLES
Name: DYE, FREDERICK
Initials: F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Rifleman
Regiment/Service: West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own)
Unit Text: "C" Coy. 7th Bn.
Age: 19
Date of Death: 13/05/1915
Service No: 2235
Additional information: Son of Robert and Ada A. Dye, of Wortley, Leeds.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: V. B. 14.
Cemetery: AUBERS RIDGE BRITISH CEMETERY, AUBERS
Name: DYE, HARRY
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry
Unit Text: 12th Bn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 08/11/1917
Service No: 44194
Additional information: Son of Robert and Ada A. Dye, of Wortley, Leeds.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. M. 4.
Cemetery: OXFORD ROAD CEMETERY
Name: DYE, OSBORNE
Initials: O
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Marine Light Infantry
Unit Text: Plymouth Bn. R.N. Div
Age: 22
Date of Death: 06/06/1915
Service No: PLY/142(S)
Additional information: Son of Robert and Ada A. Dye, of 41, Green Hill Lane, Wortley, Leeds. Native of Low Wortley. A railwayman.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sp. Mem. A. 47.
Cemetery: REDOUBT CEMETERY, HELLES
Name: DYE, FREDERICK
Initials: F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Rifleman
Regiment/Service: West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own)
Unit Text: "C" Coy. 7th Bn.
Age: 19
Date of Death: 13/05/1915
Service No: 2235
Additional information: Son of Robert and Ada A. Dye, of Wortley, Leeds.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: V. B. 14.
Cemetery: AUBERS RIDGE BRITISH CEMETERY, AUBERS
Name: DYE, HARRY
Initials: H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry
Unit Text: 12th Bn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 08/11/1917
Service No: 44194
Additional information: Son of Robert and Ada A. Dye, of Wortley, Leeds.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. M. 4.
Cemetery: OXFORD ROAD CEMETERY
3 brothers from the tiny village of Endon also died in the war. They were
87696 Sapper Levi Farrington Harding
11th Battalion
Kings Liverpool Regiment
Died 21st March 1918
2nd Lieutenant Homer Harding
Indian Army Reserve of Officers
Died 3rd October1918
15062 Private James Henry Harding
7th Battalion
North Staffordshire Regiment
Died 12th August 1915
Two other brothers survived however one of them died in the sinking of the
submarine M1.
If anyone could pm me information on Homer Harding I would be very greatful indeed.
Kevin
87696 Sapper Levi Farrington Harding
11th Battalion
Kings Liverpool Regiment
Died 21st March 1918
2nd Lieutenant Homer Harding
Indian Army Reserve of Officers
Died 3rd October1918
15062 Private James Henry Harding
7th Battalion
North Staffordshire Regiment
Died 12th August 1915
Two other brothers survived however one of them died in the sinking of the
submarine M1.
If anyone could pm me information on Homer Harding I would be very greatful indeed.
Kevin
If ever there was a "true texture of the Somme", it must be those Ridley brothers. July, September and November. Awful.
Hi Chris,
Please excuse my ignorance, who are the Ridley brothers, and what is their story ?
Cheers
Tim.
Please excuse my ignorance, who are the Ridley brothers, and what is their story ?
Cheers
Tim.
Go to the top of this thread, Tim!
A families name wiped out in 4 short months. Such travesty.
I know some families lost more than 3 sons but the time between these is heartbreaking.
I take it that there was no saving Private Ryan stories during WW1 or was there but patriotism kept the men fighting.
I will certainly bow my head tomorrow with the thought of the Tom Ridley and his two brothers.
Many thanks Dave for bringing this to our attention.
I know some families lost more than 3 sons but the time between these is heartbreaking.
I take it that there was no saving Private Ryan stories during WW1 or was there but patriotism kept the men fighting.
I will certainly bow my head tomorrow with the thought of the Tom Ridley and his two brothers.
Many thanks Dave for bringing this to our attention.
Now I feel like a complete idiot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Hi Dave,
Ray Westlake's British Battalions on the Somme states:-
''Took over front line trenches north of Lesboeufs 29/10 - later in front of Le Transloy. Rested at Trones Wood and Mansell Copse between tours''.
So unfortunately it is pretty vague maybe if someone has the war diary, that may shed more light on it.
Cheers
Tim.
Ray Westlake's British Battalions on the Somme states:-
''Took over front line trenches north of Lesboeufs 29/10 - later in front of Le Transloy. Rested at Trones Wood and Mansell Copse between tours''.
So unfortunately it is pretty vague maybe if someone has the war diary, that may shed more light on it.
Cheers
Tim.
Lest we forget...who caused such unbearable suffering.
QUOTE (2ndCMR @ Nov 1 2006, 07:11 AM) 
Lest we forget...who caused such unbearable suffering.
Yes, the Germans were a tough enemy to beat !!
Indeed. And wooden-headed generals didn't make it any easier.
In WWI one could say "Thank --- for the politicians and bureaucrats". Without Churchill, Lloyd George, Geddes etc. it would have been very much worse.
In WWI one could say "Thank --- for the politicians and bureaucrats". Without Churchill, Lloyd George, Geddes etc. it would have been very much worse.
QUOTE (Sommesoldier @ Oct 31 2006, 11:18 PM)
Yes, the Germans were a tough enemy to beat !!
Hi Dave,
Very true, I have removed my post.
Cheers
Tim.
Very true, I have removed my post.
Cheers
Tim.
Remember The 3 Racheil Brothers all KIA on the same Day in Belgium,serving with the R.Fusiliers.All commemorated on the Menin Gate.
Thanks for this PBI,
I've just checked on CWGC, and all three brothers served with the 3rd Bttn Royal Fusiliers.
Racheil, Arthur Ernest Pte. No. 2134 [KI.A.] 24-5-1915 Age: 21. Cemetery-Memorial: Ypres [Menin Gate] Memorial. Panel 6 and 8 [Son of John and Ann Racheil, 23 Holme Road, East Ham, London]
Racheil, Frank Albert Pte. No. 2237 [K.I.A.] 24-5-1915 Age: 18. Cemetery-Memorial: Ypres [Menin Gate] Memorial. Panel 6 and 8
Racheil, Frederick George Pte. No. 2269 [K.I.A.] 24-5-1915 Age: 24. Cemetery-Memorial: Ypres [Menin Gate] Memorial. Panel 6 and 8
Kind Regards,
Dave
I've just checked on CWGC, and all three brothers served with the 3rd Bttn Royal Fusiliers.
Racheil, Arthur Ernest Pte. No. 2134 [KI.A.] 24-5-1915 Age: 21. Cemetery-Memorial: Ypres [Menin Gate] Memorial. Panel 6 and 8 [Son of John and Ann Racheil, 23 Holme Road, East Ham, London]
Racheil, Frank Albert Pte. No. 2237 [K.I.A.] 24-5-1915 Age: 18. Cemetery-Memorial: Ypres [Menin Gate] Memorial. Panel 6 and 8
Racheil, Frederick George Pte. No. 2269 [K.I.A.] 24-5-1915 Age: 24. Cemetery-Memorial: Ypres [Menin Gate] Memorial. Panel 6 and 8
Kind Regards,
Dave
Just thought I would add to this one. Three brothers from the tiny village of Washington in West Sussex (pop in 2001 1930). All killed within 6 months in 1918.
Name: EVERSHED, ALLEN
Initials: A
Nationality: Australian
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Unit Text: 4th Bn. Age: 36
Date of Death: 16/04/1918
Service No: 1943
Additional information: Son of Daniel T. and Sarah Jane Evershed, of Rock, Washington, Pulborough, Sussex, England.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: VILLERS-BRETONNEUX MEMORIAL
EVERSHED Initials: P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Sussex Regiment
Unit Text: 13th Bn.
Age: 34
Date of Death: 28/05/1918
Service No: G/4673
Awards: MSM
Additional information: Son of Daniel and Sarah Jane Evershed; husband of Kate Evershed, of Ashington, Pulborough, Sussex. Born at Washington.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Mont St. Quentin Cemetery Mem. 1.
Cemetery: PERONNE COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
EVERSHED, DANIEL
Initials: D
Nationality: Australian
Rank: Company Sergeant Major
Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Unit Text: 20th Bn.
Age: 33
Date of Death: 29/10/1918
Service No: 1532
Additional information: Son of Daniel and Sarah Jane Evershed, of Rock, Washington, Sussex, England.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XIIIA. BB. 4.
Cemetery: VILLERS-BRETONNEUX MILITARY CEMETERY
Ali
Name: EVERSHED, ALLEN
Initials: A
Nationality: Australian
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Unit Text: 4th Bn. Age: 36
Date of Death: 16/04/1918
Service No: 1943
Additional information: Son of Daniel T. and Sarah Jane Evershed, of Rock, Washington, Pulborough, Sussex, England.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Memorial: VILLERS-BRETONNEUX MEMORIAL
EVERSHED Initials: P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Sussex Regiment
Unit Text: 13th Bn.
Age: 34
Date of Death: 28/05/1918
Service No: G/4673
Awards: MSM
Additional information: Son of Daniel and Sarah Jane Evershed; husband of Kate Evershed, of Ashington, Pulborough, Sussex. Born at Washington.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Mont St. Quentin Cemetery Mem. 1.
Cemetery: PERONNE COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
EVERSHED, DANIEL
Initials: D
Nationality: Australian
Rank: Company Sergeant Major
Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
Unit Text: 20th Bn.
Age: 33
Date of Death: 29/10/1918
Service No: 1532
Additional information: Son of Daniel and Sarah Jane Evershed, of Rock, Washington, Sussex, England.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XIIIA. BB. 4.
Cemetery: VILLERS-BRETONNEUX MILITARY CEMETERY
Ali
Thanks Mruk,this must have been devastating for the Family back in the UK,would any of the Forum Pals have any follow up on this Truly Terrible Event ?,eg photos Newspaper Articles ?.
Whilst reading the original post the name ridley seemed to ring bells - Well not quite when I checked it was the name Riley I remembered finding in my local newspaper archives.
Not killed in action but 3 sons lost none the less. And the age of them !!
Very sad.
Glyn
Name: RILEY, CECIL PATRICK
Initials: C P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: The Buffs (East Kent Regiment)
Unit Text: 5th Bn.
Date of Death: 13/05/1916
Service No: T/3346
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 6.
Memorial: BASRA MEMORIAL
Name: RILEY, FRANCIS ARTHUR
Initials: F A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Bedfordshire Regiment
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 06/02/1917
Service No: 33230
Additional information: Son of Arthur and Mary Elizabeth Riley, of Post Office, Burnt Mill; husband of Ida M. Riley, of Burnt Mill, Harlow, Essex.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: VI. B. 21.
Cemetery: BETHUNE TOWN CEMETERY
Name: RILEY
Initials: T W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Essex Regiment
Unit Text: 1st/4th Bn.
Date of Death: 02/09/1915
Service No: 1329
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: B. VII. 5.
Cemetery: PIETA MILITARY CEMETERY
Not killed in action but 3 sons lost none the less. And the age of them !!
Very sad.
Glyn
Name: RILEY, CECIL PATRICK
Initials: C P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: The Buffs (East Kent Regiment)
Unit Text: 5th Bn.
Date of Death: 13/05/1916
Service No: T/3346
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 6.
Memorial: BASRA MEMORIAL
Name: RILEY, FRANCIS ARTHUR
Initials: F A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Corporal
Regiment/Service: Bedfordshire Regiment
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 06/02/1917
Service No: 33230
Additional information: Son of Arthur and Mary Elizabeth Riley, of Post Office, Burnt Mill; husband of Ida M. Riley, of Burnt Mill, Harlow, Essex.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: VI. B. 21.
Cemetery: BETHUNE TOWN CEMETERY
Name: RILEY
Initials: T W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Essex Regiment
Unit Text: 1st/4th Bn.
Date of Death: 02/09/1915
Service No: 1329
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: B. VII. 5.
Cemetery: PIETA MILITARY CEMETERY
Although the last one has his surname spelt different, these are three brothers who I found for someone in Bedfordshire.
Name: RAYNER
Initials: W A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Gunner
Regiment/Service: Royal Garrison Artillery
Unit Text: 137th Heavy Bty.
Date of Death: 27/10/1916
Service No: 1400
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: B. 17.
Cemetery: BAZENTIN-LE-PETIT MILITARY CEMETERY
Name: RAYNER, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Company Serjeant Major
Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd/7th Bn.
Date of Death: 09/10/1917
Service No: 275749
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XXXV. G. 15.
Cemetery: TYNE COT CEMETERY
Name: RAYNOR
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Driver
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
Unit Text: "A" Bty. 124th Bde.
Date of Death: 27/10/1918
Service No: 80545
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XIV. B. 4.
Cemetery: ROCQUIGNY-EQUANCOURT ROAD BRITISH CEMETERY, MANANCOURT
Name: RAYNER
Initials: W A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Gunner
Regiment/Service: Royal Garrison Artillery
Unit Text: 137th Heavy Bty.
Date of Death: 27/10/1916
Service No: 1400
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: B. 17.
Cemetery: BAZENTIN-LE-PETIT MILITARY CEMETERY
Name: RAYNER, ROBERT
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Company Serjeant Major
Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd/7th Bn.
Date of Death: 09/10/1917
Service No: 275749
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XXXV. G. 15.
Cemetery: TYNE COT CEMETERY
Name: RAYNOR
Initials: A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Driver
Regiment/Service: Royal Field Artillery
Unit Text: "A" Bty. 124th Bde.
Date of Death: 27/10/1918
Service No: 80545
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XIV. B. 4.
Cemetery: ROCQUIGNY-EQUANCOURT ROAD BRITISH CEMETERY, MANANCOURT
I am amazed to learn that R M Beatham VC-AIF had three brothers who fell
1 BEATHAM, FREDERICK WILLIAM Private M/345582 03/11/1918 32 Army Service Corps United Kingdom S. II P. 28. ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN
2 BEATHAM, I A Lance Corporal 29037 24/03/1920 24 Coldstream Guards United Kingdom In old ground, NE corner. ADDINGHAM (ST. MICHAEL) CHURCHYARD
3 BEATHAM, JOHN WILFRED Serjeant S/14767 28/12/1918 29 Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders United Kingdom I. D. 12. HAIDAR PASHA CEMETERY
4 BEATHAM, ROBERT MATTHEW Private 2742 11/08/1918 24 Australian Infantry, A.I.F. Australian VII. J. 13. HEATH CEMETERY, HARBONNIERES
1 BEATHAM, FREDERICK WILLIAM Private M/345582 03/11/1918 32 Army Service Corps United Kingdom S. II P. 28. ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN
2 BEATHAM, I A Lance Corporal 29037 24/03/1920 24 Coldstream Guards United Kingdom In old ground, NE corner. ADDINGHAM (ST. MICHAEL) CHURCHYARD
3 BEATHAM, JOHN WILFRED Serjeant S/14767 28/12/1918 29 Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders United Kingdom I. D. 12. HAIDAR PASHA CEMETERY
4 BEATHAM, ROBERT MATTHEW Private 2742 11/08/1918 24 Australian Infantry, A.I.F. Australian VII. J. 13. HEATH CEMETERY, HARBONNIERES
Many Thanks, Shaymen. Many Thanks, Peter.
The Riley Brothers were three fine-looking, handsome lads, and it makes me think that the Raynor Family must have been perpetually dressed in black. It's beyond my thinking to imagine what these families must have been experiencing-not to mention suffering--and I hope they found a way to cope.
Kind Regards,
Dave
The Riley Brothers were three fine-looking, handsome lads, and it makes me think that the Raynor Family must have been perpetually dressed in black. It's beyond my thinking to imagine what these families must have been experiencing-not to mention suffering--and I hope they found a way to cope.
Kind Regards,
Dave
Link to Post on Beechey Brothers
Another family mauled by the war, in a review of a book about them in the Book Reviews Section, and not forgetting the Souls family featured on the TV programme Not Forgotten presented by Ian Hislop.
Another family mauled by the war, in a review of a book about them in the Book Reviews Section, and not forgetting the Souls family featured on the TV programme Not Forgotten presented by Ian Hislop.
My wifes Great Aunt had three Brothers who did the honourable thing and followed their Father Colonel Shine into the Army and all were killed by 1917:
2/Lt John Denis Shine R.I.R KIA Aug 27th 1914, at Mons
2/Lt Hugh Patrick Shine R.I.F KIA May 1915 at Ypres
Capt James Owen Shine R.D.F wounded Somme and then KIA Aug 1917.
Rest in peace.
Rob
2/Lt John Denis Shine R.I.R KIA Aug 27th 1914, at Mons
2/Lt Hugh Patrick Shine R.I.F KIA May 1915 at Ypres
Capt James Owen Shine R.D.F wounded Somme and then KIA Aug 1917.
Rest in peace.
Rob
Hi Dave,
Thanks for bringing that fascinating and most poignant story to our attention. I shed a tear thinking of the Ridley boys and all those others mentioned, and their parents.
I was also very interested in the part about attempts being made on behalf of the parents to "rescue" Tom. It was obviously unsuccessful in this case, but I wonder if anyone knows if there were any cases were such action was successful? Were there any "Saving Private Ryan" cases? When conscription was introduced would such cases -a last remaining son, or multiple fatalities in the family - be grounds for exemption from overseas service?
I attempted to send this earlier but was a victim of the hacker!
Carolyn
Thanks for bringing that fascinating and most poignant story to our attention. I shed a tear thinking of the Ridley boys and all those others mentioned, and their parents.
I was also very interested in the part about attempts being made on behalf of the parents to "rescue" Tom. It was obviously unsuccessful in this case, but I wonder if anyone knows if there were any cases were such action was successful? Were there any "Saving Private Ryan" cases? When conscription was introduced would such cases -a last remaining son, or multiple fatalities in the family - be grounds for exemption from overseas service?
I attempted to send this earlier but was a victim of the hacker!
Carolyn
Saving Private Ryan didnt help our lot..
Pte A Gleed 12178 Glos Regt died 18-11-1916.
Sgt J E Gleed 12173 Glos Regt died 1-6-1918.
Pte F Gleed 19089 Wilts Regt died 28-11-1918.
Pte P Gleed missing somewhen around 12-8-1915 not recorded.
Pte W Gleed 18982 Wilts Regt discharged 28-5-1916 head wound unfit for service .
on 5th June 1915 GGF & GGM received telegram from the King thanking them for sending 5 sons to serve their country, by the end of the war only one had returned with a disability keeping him from work and earning a wage to support the family.
Pte A Gleed 12178 Glos Regt died 18-11-1916.
Sgt J E Gleed 12173 Glos Regt died 1-6-1918.
Pte F Gleed 19089 Wilts Regt died 28-11-1918.
Pte P Gleed missing somewhen around 12-8-1915 not recorded.
Pte W Gleed 18982 Wilts Regt discharged 28-5-1916 head wound unfit for service .
on 5th June 1915 GGF & GGM received telegram from the King thanking them for sending 5 sons to serve their country, by the end of the war only one had returned with a disability keeping him from work and earning a wage to support the family.
I believe that the Souls Family Lost FIVE Brothers KIA in The Great War.Could someone confirm this for me..?
QUOTE (PBI @ Nov 2 2006, 01:34 PM)
I believe that the Souls Family Lost FIVE Brothers KIA in The Great War.Could someone confirm this for me..?
Try this link;
http://www.geocities.com/claremayo/souls_brothers.htm
Many thanks Peter....What a Terrible Price paid by this Poor Family.R.I.P.
This is from Tom Morgan's website, "The Lady Lost Five Sons"
http://www.hellfire-corner.demon.co.uk/ceris.htm
http://www.hellfire-corner.demon.co.uk/ceris.htm
Hi Dave
Good piece on the thre brothers have seen that in the paper a few times myself, very sad and shows the sacrifice brittish people are prepaired to make. My youngest son serves with the Royal Engineers and leaves for Iraq in a months time.
As I was reading I noticed the second of the three, Ridley Charles Pte No 27595 serving with the 10th Yorkshire Regiment, remembered at Thiepval Memorial Pier and Face 3a and 3d.
Just compairing with my Great Uncle Donald.
Hunter Donald Pte 27376 serving with 10th West Yorkshire Regiment, remembered at Thiepval Memorial Pier and Face 3a and 3d.
Quite close, dont you think?
I agree about researching the 10th, not easy still looking for a photograph,even looked in the Bradford Telegraph again.
Best wishes
Phil
Good piece on the thre brothers have seen that in the paper a few times myself, very sad and shows the sacrifice brittish people are prepaired to make. My youngest son serves with the Royal Engineers and leaves for Iraq in a months time.
As I was reading I noticed the second of the three, Ridley Charles Pte No 27595 serving with the 10th Yorkshire Regiment, remembered at Thiepval Memorial Pier and Face 3a and 3d.
Just compairing with my Great Uncle Donald.
Hunter Donald Pte 27376 serving with 10th West Yorkshire Regiment, remembered at Thiepval Memorial Pier and Face 3a and 3d.
Quite close, dont you think?
I agree about researching the 10th, not easy still looking for a photograph,even looked in the Bradford Telegraph again.
Best wishes
Phil
QUOTE (phil 1 @ Nov 2 2006, 03:28 PM)
Hi Dave
Good piece on the thre brothers have seen that in the paper a few times myself, very sad and shows the sacrifice brittish people are prepaired to make. My youngest son serves with the Royal Engineers and leaves for Iraq in a months time.
As I was reading I noticed the second of the three, Ridley Charles Pte No 27595 serving with the 10th Yorkshire Regiment, remembered at Thiepval Memorial Pier and Face 3a and 3d.
Just compairing with my Great Uncle Donald.
Hunter Donald Pte 27376 serving with 10th West Yorkshire Regiment, remembered at Thiepval Memorial Pier and Face 3a and 3d.
Quite close, dont you think?
I agree about researching the 10th, not easy still looking for a photograph,even looked in the Bradford Telegraph again.
Best wishes
Phil
Good piece on the thre brothers have seen that in the paper a few times myself, very sad and shows the sacrifice brittish people are prepaired to make. My youngest son serves with the Royal Engineers and leaves for Iraq in a months time.
As I was reading I noticed the second of the three, Ridley Charles Pte No 27595 serving with the 10th Yorkshire Regiment, remembered at Thiepval Memorial Pier and Face 3a and 3d.
Just compairing with my Great Uncle Donald.
Hunter Donald Pte 27376 serving with 10th West Yorkshire Regiment, remembered at Thiepval Memorial Pier and Face 3a and 3d.
Quite close, dont you think?
I agree about researching the 10th, not easy still looking for a photograph,even looked in the Bradford Telegraph again.
Best wishes
Phil
Hi Dave
just remembered the other similarity, Ridley Charles Pte KIA 17/09/1916.
Hunter Donald Pte KIA 21/09/1916.
Phil
just remembered the other similarity, Ridley Charles Pte KIA 17/09/1916.
Hunter Donald Pte KIA 21/09/1916.
Phil
QUOTE (mruk @ Nov 5 2006, 08:48 AM)
Strictly speaking, this is not 'Three Sons Killed in the Great War', but one of three brothers who was reported killed and later turned up as POW, and I spent a good couple of hours last night, with the help of Armoured Farmer and Steve [Thanks], trying to trace Sgt Harry Cockroft whose obituary appears in the Bradford Weekly Telegraph of July 1917. The story is interesting on a number of counts, and it appears that Sgt. Cockroft, who was awarded the D.C.M. for gallantry at Serre on the 1st of July, was one of a number of men [65] that was accused of defecting to the German side at the Battle of Rossignol Wood in February 1917. A Court of Enquiry, which was initiated by Major-General Wanless O'Gowan, was subsequently set up with regard to the missing men, and why their officer had not opened fire upon them at the time, though Cockroft was later exonerated, and no charges were brought after the war. He died in 1955, at the age of sixty-seven, and many of the details can be found in David Raw's history of the 'Bradford Pals'. Nonetheless, two brothers did die, and his capture was reported as such, and I think it is worth reprinting in the context of the time.
Cockroft, Sergt. Harry [16/1185], 5 Paternoster Lane, Great Horton, and second son of Mr. And Mrs. John Cockroft, 23 Old Road, Great Horton, who was previously reported missing, is now stated to have been killed. He is the third son who has made the supreme sacrifice, and some time ago he was awarded the D.C.M. Sergt. Cockroft leaves a widow and one child. He was formerly a pavior employed by Bradford Corporation. [Bradford Weekly Telegraph, 20 July 1917]
Cockroft, Tom Pte. No. 10702 D. 7-3-1915 Age: 20 Cemetery-Memorial: Poperinghe Old Military Cemetery. II. O. 19. [Son of Mr. and Mrs. John Cockroft, 47 Roseberry Avenue, Lancaster Road, Morecambe, Lancs] Served with the 2nd, Battalion, Duke of Wellington's [West Riding Regiment]
Cockroft, William Pte. No. 16/1170 [K.I.A.] 1-7-1916 Age: 33. Cemetery-Memorial: Thiepval Memorial. Pier and Face 2A 2C and 2D [Son of John and Janet Cockroft, 47 Roseberry Avenue, Lancaster Road, Morecambe, Lancs] Served with 16th Bttn, West Yorkshire Regiment ['Bradford Pals']
Kind Regards,
Dave
PS: This is the man that I was initially looking for, but the age and marital status didn't quite tally.
Cockroft, Harry. Pte. No. 18/726 [K.I.A.] 1-7-1916 Age: 20 Born: Bradford Enlisted: Bradford. Cemetery-Memorial: Fricourt New Military Cemetery D. 2. [Son of the late Robert Cockroft and of Louisa Cockroft, 63 Tivoli Place, Little Horton, Bradford]
Thanks for the Help,
Dave
Cockroft, Sergt. Harry [16/1185], 5 Paternoster Lane, Great Horton, and second son of Mr. And Mrs. John Cockroft, 23 Old Road, Great Horton, who was previously reported missing, is now stated to have been killed. He is the third son who has made the supreme sacrifice, and some time ago he was awarded the D.C.M. Sergt. Cockroft leaves a widow and one child. He was formerly a pavior employed by Bradford Corporation. [Bradford Weekly Telegraph, 20 July 1917]
Cockroft, Tom Pte. No. 10702 D. 7-3-1915 Age: 20 Cemetery-Memorial: Poperinghe Old Military Cemetery. II. O. 19. [Son of Mr. and Mrs. John Cockroft, 47 Roseberry Avenue, Lancaster Road, Morecambe, Lancs] Served with the 2nd, Battalion, Duke of Wellington's [West Riding Regiment]
Cockroft, William Pte. No. 16/1170 [K.I.A.] 1-7-1916 Age: 33. Cemetery-Memorial: Thiepval Memorial. Pier and Face 2A 2C and 2D [Son of John and Janet Cockroft, 47 Roseberry Avenue, Lancaster Road, Morecambe, Lancs] Served with 16th Bttn, West Yorkshire Regiment ['Bradford Pals']
Kind Regards,
Dave
PS: This is the man that I was initially looking for, but the age and marital status didn't quite tally.
Cockroft, Harry. Pte. No. 18/726 [K.I.A.] 1-7-1916 Age: 20 Born: Bradford Enlisted: Bradford. Cemetery-Memorial: Fricourt New Military Cemetery D. 2. [Son of the late Robert Cockroft and of Louisa Cockroft, 63 Tivoli Place, Little Horton, Bradford]
Thanks for the Help,
Dave
Hi Dave
Cockcroft Harry was obviously in the 2nd Bradford Pals by his prefix of 18/ , dont have much info on them, but I do have copies of full War Diaries on 16th West Yorkshire Regiment, including transcripts of all witness statements from trial of Sgt Cockroft. I would be happy to look for any names if you require them.
Phil
my two great uncles were kia
henry pike princonsorts own rifle brigade 01.03.15 at ypres and his brother
george guy pike MM at arras with the 11th MGC company with 4th div 09.04.17....luckely for me their other brother survived the war in the RE
jase
henry pike princonsorts own rifle brigade 01.03.15 at ypres and his brother
george guy pike MM at arras with the 11th MGC company with 4th div 09.04.17....luckely for me their other brother survived the war in the RE
jase
QUOTE (Kevinaka1888 @ Oct 31 2006, 09:34 PM)
3 brothers from the tiny village of Endon also died in the war. They were
87696 Sapper Levi Farrington Harding
11th Battalion
Kings Liverpool Regiment
Died 21st March 1918
2nd Lieutenant Homer Harding
Indian Army Reserve of Officers
Died 3rd October1918
15062 Private James Henry Harding
7th Battalion
North Staffordshire Regiment
Died 12th August 1915
Two other brothers survived however one of them died in the sinking of the
submarine M1.
If anyone could pm me information on Homer Harding I would be very greatful indeed.
Kevin
87696 Sapper Levi Farrington Harding
11th Battalion
Kings Liverpool Regiment
Died 21st March 1918
2nd Lieutenant Homer Harding
Indian Army Reserve of Officers
Died 3rd October1918
15062 Private James Henry Harding
7th Battalion
North Staffordshire Regiment
Died 12th August 1915
Two other brothers survived however one of them died in the sinking of the
submarine M1.
If anyone could pm me information on Homer Harding I would be very greatful indeed.
Kevin
hi dave
well my knowledge is rather limited at the moment as i can only go on the whereabouts of 11th brigade 4th div on the day of 09 04 17 that is presuming he won it on that day. that was of course the first day of arras1. four other men in his machine gun company were also killed on that day...at the same time???? by the same shell??? i can only guess. they are all remembered on the arras memorial which i again visited last monday as is my great uncle. i have the kew reference for the diaries for that period so its just getting round to sorting the research further. i have all his medals but not death plaque or scroll.
have you any gen for me on this???
cheers for now
jase
well my knowledge is rather limited at the moment as i can only go on the whereabouts of 11th brigade 4th div on the day of 09 04 17 that is presuming he won it on that day. that was of course the first day of arras1. four other men in his machine gun company were also killed on that day...at the same time???? by the same shell??? i can only guess. they are all remembered on the arras memorial which i again visited last monday as is my great uncle. i have the kew reference for the diaries for that period so its just getting round to sorting the research further. i have all his medals but not death plaque or scroll.
have you any gen for me on this???
cheers for now
jase
QUOTE (mruk @ Nov 19 2006, 07:31 AM)
Hello Jase, do you have any more info on the MM which your Gt Uncle won?
Kind Regards,
Dave
Kind Regards,
Dave
I remember the 3 Chilton brothers in my signature. I lived in a terraced house next door to where they were raised and played in a back yard that they must have played in. Their sister Olive, a spinster, was like a second mother to me as I grew up, and I often think of the torment she must have gone through as a young woman.
The first to die was Arthur, on the 7th July 1916, his was quite literally the first war grave I saw. On a Ledger tour, purely due to unforseen circumstaces (a blocked road) forced a change to the start of the 1st walk of the tour. The coach pulled up outside Dartmoor Cemetery and looking over the wall as I got out of the coach saw his grave. Do you beleive in coincidence?
The other 2 brothers, George and Harold, entered Delville Wood on the 14th July 1916, just 7 days after the death of Arthur. Harold never left the wood and George was severely wounded. Ho commited suicide near to home on the 5th April 1918.
This was my introduction to WW1 and Delvile Wood is the first place I visit when I go back
regards
Geoff
The first to die was Arthur, on the 7th July 1916, his was quite literally the first war grave I saw. On a Ledger tour, purely due to unforseen circumstaces (a blocked road) forced a change to the start of the 1st walk of the tour. The coach pulled up outside Dartmoor Cemetery and looking over the wall as I got out of the coach saw his grave. Do you beleive in coincidence?
The other 2 brothers, George and Harold, entered Delville Wood on the 14th July 1916, just 7 days after the death of Arthur. Harold never left the wood and George was severely wounded. Ho commited suicide near to home on the 5th April 1918.
This was my introduction to WW1 and Delvile Wood is the first place I visit when I go back
regards
Geoff
And i knew i had them in the 'Black Hole Dave!
Here's Robert, commemorated on the Arras Memorial, K.I.A., Gavrelle.
Here's Robert, commemorated on the Arras Memorial, K.I.A., Gavrelle.
And, John Wilkinson Moorby, incorrectly named on SDGW as 11 Battalion.
Unfortunately, James Lambert's inscription was commemorated at a great height on the memorial at Thiepval and i only had my 'Happy Snapper' at the time.
Three Leeds lads, gone, but not forgotten.
Regards, Chris.
Unfortunately, James Lambert's inscription was commemorated at a great height on the memorial at Thiepval and i only had my 'Happy Snapper' at the time.
Three Leeds lads, gone, but not forgotten.
Regards, Chris.
Many thanks Dave for that, most interesting.
I will see if i can hunt down some photos of the Moorby Brothers tomorrow.
All the best, Chris.
I will see if i can hunt down some photos of the Moorby Brothers tomorrow.
All the best, Chris.
There were Three Brothers from the Small Village of Carloway on the Isle of Lewis in Scotland who were killed in W.W.1.
The eldest was Lieutenant John Mackay who D.O.W. (Age 40) 03/10/18 while serving with the P.P.C.L.I. Canadian Infantry.
The next oldest was Private 3/6896 1st Battalion Cameron Highlanders Murdo Mackay who was K.I.A. (Age 34) 08/01/15. At La Bassee.
The youngest was Private 3/6697 2nd Battalion Seaforth Highlanders Donald Mackay who was K.I.A. (Age 22) 25/04/15. At St Julien.
There was a fourth Brother Angus also serving as a Private in the Seaforths who was invalided home in 1915 with Frost Bitten Feet.
The Courage and Sacrifice of all of these brothers and their Families are an Inspiration to us all.
The eldest was Lieutenant John Mackay who D.O.W. (Age 40) 03/10/18 while serving with the P.P.C.L.I. Canadian Infantry.
The next oldest was Private 3/6896 1st Battalion Cameron Highlanders Murdo Mackay who was K.I.A. (Age 34) 08/01/15. At La Bassee.
The youngest was Private 3/6697 2nd Battalion Seaforth Highlanders Donald Mackay who was K.I.A. (Age 22) 25/04/15. At St Julien.
There was a fourth Brother Angus also serving as a Private in the Seaforths who was invalided home in 1915 with Frost Bitten Feet.
The Courage and Sacrifice of all of these brothers and their Families are an Inspiration to us all.
see this thread for three-fold casualties
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...iple+casualties
Dhubthaigh
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...iple+casualties
Dhubthaigh
Hello Dave
Found only one Joseph Constantine on the NA MIC site a Cpl Joseph Constantine 305741 of the West Yorkshire Regiment and only a total of five Joseph Constantines on the MIC list.
Sorry am not able to input link to MICs as forum does not seem to be want to let me at the moment.
Regards Kevin
Found only one Joseph Constantine on the NA MIC site a Cpl Joseph Constantine 305741 of the West Yorkshire Regiment and only a total of five Joseph Constantines on the MIC list.
Sorry am not able to input link to MICs as forum does not seem to be want to let me at the moment.
Regards Kevin
Dave heres the link for all the West Yorkshire Constantines at the NA MICsthe link.
Regards Kevin
Regards Kevin
Many Thanks, Kevin
I've being having a few problems with NA-MIC myself. I'll PM you shortly.
Best Wishes
Dave
I've being having a few problems with NA-MIC myself. I'll PM you shortly.
Best Wishes
Dave
The small market town of Barnard Castle had several brothers killed in WW1.
The most tragic mother was Margaret Smith, of Bridgegate, Barnard Castle, who had five of her six sons killed. Alfred, Robert. Fred, George and J T Smith. I am still in mid research on the family Smith so haven't all the details at hand yet.
What a nightmare for poor Margaret and family. I must find the time to research surving son. Hopefully his was a happier war, although not yet sure if he was involved.
I'm sure there must be another Forum member with greater detail on this.
The most tragic mother was Margaret Smith, of Bridgegate, Barnard Castle, who had five of her six sons killed. Alfred, Robert. Fred, George and J T Smith. I am still in mid research on the family Smith so haven't all the details at hand yet.
What a nightmare for poor Margaret and family. I must find the time to research surving son. Hopefully his was a happier war, although not yet sure if he was involved.
I'm sure there must be another Forum member with greater detail on this.
Dave
Recieved the emails big thanks but as the dates on orbit of Pte Joseph Constantine do not match the number on the NA-MICs Joseph Constantine and he does not have a pre six figure number, cannot see this man as the one you are looking for.
Regards Kevin
PS Going to see the Geordie Lad
Regards and Thanks Kevin
Recieved the emails big thanks but as the dates on orbit of Pte Joseph Constantine do not match the number on the NA-MICs Joseph Constantine and he does not have a pre six figure number, cannot see this man as the one you are looking for.
Regards Kevin
PS Going to see the Geordie Lad
Regards and Thanks Kevin
Hi Dave.
Both Wadkin brothers commemorated on memorial tablet/plaque, Spofforth Church, along with another local lad, William Pawson, 11889.
Try and get down there tom and take some pictures.
Regards, Chris.
Both Wadkin brothers commemorated on memorial tablet/plaque, Spofforth Church, along with another local lad, William Pawson, 11889.
Try and get down there tom and take some pictures.
Regards, Chris.
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