I would be most interested in building up a database of men who landed from the Clyde at V beach. All contributions most welcome.

Ken

Hi Ken !

Is this what you want ... or are you looking for lists ??

JARRETT

Charles Harry Brownlow
Major 1st Battalion, The Royal Munster Fusiliers. 29th Division. Killed in action on ‘V’ beach during the Gallipoli Landings 25. 4.15. age 40. Son of Colonel H.S.Jarrett (CTE) and Mrs. Agnes Jarrett of South Lodge, East Grinstead. Buried Lancashire Landing Cemetery, Gallipoli.

http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Sussex/EastGrinstead.html

Medal card of Jarrett, Charles Harry Brownlow
Royal Munster Fusiliers
Major
Munster Fusiliers
Major
Date
1914-1920

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01df/

In Memory of
Major CHARLES HARRY BROWNLOW JARRETT

1st Bn., Royal Munster Fusiliers
who died age 40
on 25 April 1915
Son of Col. H. S. Jarrett, C.I.E., and Mrs. Jarrett.
Remembered with honour
LANCASHIRE LANDING CEMETERY

Yes indeed Annie,
All information identifying the men who landed from the Clyde, wheter it be lists or details, is much appreciated.

Regards,
Ken

Have you read Les Carlyson's Gallipoli yet?
Plenty of info in this book regarding v beach and the Clyde.

Jarvis

Hi Ken,
This may be way off, but from a document on Hellfire Corner, there is a letter from John Guy Gilbert, 6 East Lancashire Regiment, and I quote:
"we went ashore at V beach via the River Clyde but there was little evidence of the terrible struggle there had been around her on April 25. That was on June 28 and as I didn't keep a diary the sequence of events for the next month until August 2nd when I was taken off in another collier to a hospital ship is not very clear".
This caught my eye as my father in law was with the 6 East Lancs'
Are you looking for the people involved with the April 25 action?
Cheers
Shirley

Thanks for the interest Shirley. My intention was to focus on the initial assault of April 25th. and the men who took part in it. Information is always wecome. Jarvis, ashamed to say I have'nt read it but will make a point of it.

Regards,
Ken

In Memory of

Chaplain 4th Class The Rev. WILLIAM JOSEPH FINN

Army Chaplains' Department

who died

on 25 April 1915

Remembered with honour

V BEACH CEMETERY

He is believed to be the first Chaplain to fall in WW1

The Reverend W N Finn, Chaplain to the Forces (4th Class) who was killed on 25 April 1915 Joint Grave F. 4.

Medal card of Finn, W
Army Chaplain's Department
Reverend
Army Chaplain's Department
Temporary Chaplain 4th Class
Date
1914-1920

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01dg/

Is it possible to ask CWGC for a list of the men who died that day at V Beach ? or would they do that ?

http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_detail...0108&mode=1

Annie

Les Carlyon's book on page 199 says

"Two thousand men would be on the River Clyde: all the Munsters, the two companies of Hampshires, one company of Dubliners, a few RND troops, including Sub-Lieutenant Arthur Tisdall, and two members of Hamilton's staff, Williams, and Lt. Col. "Dick" Doughty-Wylie"

In 2005 Chris and I went round about 4 CWG Cemetaries at Helles, including Doughty-Wylie, the Anzac Beaches and then another 4 at Suvla.

This is a huge task you have undertaken - good on you!
There are other individual names mentioned, if this is helpful.

Cheers
Shirley

Hi,

The courage of the men landing from the River Clyde (and the Dublins simultaneous landing from tows) at V Beach has rightly been much praised over the last 92 years. But even more worthy of record would be the names of the 60 - 100 Turks that held back for a whole day a force that outnumbered them by more than 20 to 1. ALthough the expedition was doomed to failure their stout resistance certainly underlined the Turkish determination to resist every step of the way. Some of the Turkish experts claim they didn't even have machine guns on V Beach, but I think that they probably had two Maxims (one high on the left centre, one in the fort?) and possibly a pom-pom had survived the attentions of the Royal Navy. It was a W Beach where it seems certain that the Turks had no machine guns. But rapid aimed rifle fire, from above, onto a concentrated target would be too deadly for any of us to contemplate facing I'm sure...

Pete

Hi Pete !

Has anybody done that - do you know ??

Everybody ( the politicians and the military men ) rather took the Turks for granted - assuming they would be a "pushover " .....

but the Turks would not stand down .... they were defending their country !

Annie

I think Churchill (First Lord of the Admiralty) had sent a couple of gun-boats to pound the Dardanelles forts about 6 months earlier and there had been little or no return of fire from the Turks. I understand this led to the expectation that the Turks would simply run away.

Reagrds,

Jon S

I don't think they have named them and there is some confusion as to how many there actually were hence my 60-100 vagueness! I must ask Tolga Ornek - he did a mass of research for the Gallipoli film not yet released here.

Pete

Heartbreak for all nations !

Gallipoli

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXEiPXnhLWE...ted&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY15obfp4P4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5LgUx5FHSU

Annie

and also this haunting one !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTwptSd1g3s...ted&search=

Good to hear an objective view from this campaign. I have thought about the Turkisk side of things, but shamed to say, never researched, or read too much into it. There were many sides in this war and all were men, like you or I, doing what they had to do. I have been too enrapt in the bravado and shortcomings of the Landings to think of the 'recieving' end of things. Well put Pete.

Jarvis

You may be interested in this link about Williams VC and the River Clyde
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/4939738.stm
There are mentions of him elsewhere in the Forum and a few other links on 'Google' as well

Hi Annie and friends,
Sincere thanks for the contributions. At this point in time I would like to put names to the Clyde lads, after which their stories can be told.

All additions are most welcome,

Ken

Shirley,
Give me all you got.
It seemed a straight foreward task when I first thought of it, but I guess this is going to be a long labour of love. No doubt I'll get by with a litle help from my friends!

Ken

Oh Ken .................... !!

Look what I found Googling ? ....... it was a reply from Steve Morse on another Forum a few years ago ......



Don't want to put you off or anything !!

And this too ..... something I didn't know ......

It is a little known fact that numerous Ceylon volunteers fought in some of the bloodiest battles and campaigns of the First World War. For instance, on the Gallipoli Peninsula at Cape Helles on April 25, 1915, a Ceylon volunteer in the Royal Munster Fusiliers recalled the extremely bloody 'V' beach landing: "This was pure slaughter, but on they came, boat after boat and down the gangways went the troops on the 'Clyde' led by their valiant officers, all to meet the same fate. It was an inspiring although ghastly sight, never to be forgotten, to see the magnificent Dublins and Munsters force the landing on that small formidable stretch of beach, dominated at point blank range by the enfilading Turkish fire. ...where was the glory of war? Men who had spent their lifetime training as soldiers piteously mowed down as they stormed that beach mostly without exchanging a shot."

Annie,
Those links were very moving - have forwarded to husband Chris to add to his Gallipoli stuff he presents to his social studies class - the boys will think he is "way cool" when they research utube in class. Thank you

Ken,
A few more names from the book:
Sub Lt Arthur Tisdall
Lt Col Weir de Lancy Williams
Commander Unwin
Able seaman William Williams
Captain Henderson's company
Captain Geddes' company
Commander Josiah Wedgwood ic machine guns on Clyde
Cheers
Shirley

This DVD is in the library at the school, and it is quite stunning - I also saw Tolga Ornek on Andrew Denton's show I think it was, and it does help us try to get heads and hearts around the many perspectives of such carnage
Cheers
Shirley

see http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...c=32424&hl=
where the units involved on the 25th April 1915 are listed

It should be possible to get further information from the regimental associations of the units involved
For example;
The RMFA can be contacted here http://www.rmfa92.org/Contact.htm
The RDFA can be contacted here http://www.tcd.ie/General/Fusiliers/DUBFUS...ML/emal_top.htm

regards
Michael

Regarding the list of units involved;
Please note my remark in post #2 in the above link
"I stress that this is regarding those actually landing
The Maxims of the RNAS were providing covering fire from the ‘River Clyde’
And not part of the landing force at that stage"
This also applies to Father Finn who did not land from the 'River Clyde' but was in one of the tows which put off from a Fleet Sweeper [FS No.1 per the OH]

regards
Michael

Well guys, I sincerely hope I can do your efforts justice. I'm somewhat surprised that so far, nothing has been heard from a decendent of any man or boy who sailed in on the Clyde that slaughterous day.

I need all the help I can get,
Ken

To your info,

Turkish defenders of V Beach (Ertuğrul Koyu)
26th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Battalion, 10th Company

It was an under strength rifle company without machine gun sections -usually Turkish rifle coys got machine guns from regiment or division machine gun coys.

The original Coy OC Lt. Abdurrahman was killed during the initial stage of the defense and Sgt. Ezineli Yahya took command and led the Coy whole day. The Coy literally annihilated.

Today there is a monument (Yahya Çavuşu Anıtı) dedicated for the gallant defenders over looking the beach

Ken,

I do not wish to dampen your enthusiasm but the task you have selected is going to be frustrating and difficult. I just wish to point out a few pitfalls for you.

I am now speaking only of the 1st battalion Royal Munster Fusiliers (I am the son of one who landed).

To identify the Munster's that were actually on the River Clyde on the 25 April 1915 you need an embarkation roll and I am not sure if any exist now. If you work say from the CWGC database and identify men who died of wounds or were killed in action on Gallipoli, then some of those men would have been draft replacements and would have shipped out by other transports. So you would have to be selective in that case.

As an example for two days after the landing, the Munster's were engaged in fighting, they were relieved by the French on 27 April 1915, by that time about 600 non-commissioned officers and men had been killed in action or had died of wounds. The Dublin's suffered heavy casualties as well, in fact the Munster's and the Dublins' were amalgamated on the 29th April and named the Dubster's. They so remained until May 19th. Then in June drafts were received for the Munster's and numbers build up again. I assume the same happened for the Dublin's.

In the case of the Munster's, it would be possible to start your list by identifying those who died between the 25th April and before June 17th 1915. We can assume they landed from the River Clyde, but to identify the remainder I see an embarkation roll as the necessary research tool.

Sullivan.

The caretaker at my school says that his grandfather, Benjamin Blackham, born in Darlaston, Staffs, but later moved to Wales, was one of nine RWF men on the River Clyde during that fateful landing.

Would anyone know how they got there?

Regards,
Trebrys.

Trebrys,

Staff Officer Doughty-Wyllie (who was awarded a posthumous VC) was a member of the Royal Welch Fusiliers. I have come across an account that says his orderly was killed with him. It seems reasonable to assume that the orderly must also have been RWF. A friend who is retired from the RWF has so far been unsuccessful in attempts to identify the orderly.

It would be great if any Pal with access to the official RWF history or contact with the regiment could enlighten us on the name of the orderly and/or give information on the other RWF men on the "River Clyde."

Regards,
Philip

I have just come across this thread. If you are still interested, my great uncle landed at Gallipoli on the River Clyde, survived, and was killed in France 30 September 1918.
His details are:
Private Joseph Grimes, 4464 1stBN Royal Munster Fusiliers. Born Limerick 1895.
MarieE

Ken

A few from the 2nd Hampshire Regiment.

Lieut Colonel H Carrington, Major Beckwith, Captain Reid, Captain Addison, Corporal C Waterman and Privates E Carrell and Veal.

I have copies of letters from the local paper from these men.

Regards

Mike

Ken,

In the case of 2nd Hants I fear that the the task is an impossible one. The headquarters, Y and Z Companies were on board the River Clyde at V Beach with W and X Companies landing at W Beach. In the absence of an embarkation roll for the Battalion, other than a few named individuals mentioned in various sources, I don't see how you can identify definitively who was on the River Clyde at V Beach. I know for a fact that the Regimental Museum doesn't have anything in their archive that will help.

Marc

Thanks Mike,
I would be most grateful for any contribution.
And to all other friends, sincere thanks.

This is a labour of love much longer than anticipated.

Ken

Try 1914 1915 Star Medal Rolls for relevant units - (Munsters Dublins Hampshires, etc) eg for 1RMF, it is all those dated 25th April 1915 in the rolls

Many thanks for the advice, I just didn't know what I was letting myself in for when I set out on this task.

Kind regards,

Ken