Gosh that was quick Doug. I will be on to the GRO ASAP to order them . Thanks very much for your help. Colin

Hi Colin,

if you are not aware, the certificate may show very little - especially if the soldier went missing and was then certified as killed. It is the luck of the draw as to how much information there will be.

Doug

Thanks Doug I have discovered how where and when they were killed I just thought I would get the Certs for my F Hist collection Glad to hear from you again as at present I am stuck on the phone trying to ask why at the GRO web site on line ordering when you go to "checkout" the details you have posted earlier ie index No's do not apper on the confirmation at checkout. I have ordered lots of home certs and the details appear at checkout for you to confirm. This is my first attempt at "overseas". I am now on to the 45th minute of the call thank goodness I have thier STD No as on 0870 it costs a packet

If you get an answer let us know please.

Doug

Will do, if I ever get through its now up to 50 mins. Unfortunately as more people are trying to get certs nowadays the GRO does not seem to have kept up with the demand. OK if your online order has no probs but if you need to check on a refused cert or whatever its a long job on the telephone and pricey if you dont use voip or a low cost provider. Colin

Hi,

Couldyou please check:

2317 Pte John James Diver Royal Irish Regiment KIA 21/08/1916

Thanks

Doug you asked me if I got through to GRO the result. I order lots of Certs on line. When you proceed to "checkout" you are asked to check that the GRO entry Nos are correct as once past this point you will be charged. On "overseas" orders ie soldiers KIA for example the same system is used but I am told it is not set up for overseas orders because the headings differ and dont suit the terminology of the oversears certs . This means that the columns detailing the numbers you have input are blank in the basket and checkout pages. You have there fore got to take a chance , "go blind" and enter your card details. I spoke to GRO and asked about this and they said there is no way of finally checking. You can go back to the previous page and check again and hope tht it is correct or alter it there and trust it transfers to checkout in the same format. When you enter your Vol Page etc details there is not the reguar box to use ie there is no system for the overseas numbers which differ from the home numbers for which the form was designed. You have to enter the numbers in one long line in the lower box. It is absolutely impossible to get through to the Overseas Dept so I had to rely on the regular team.
What is more galling is that if you are phoning on 0870 you pay 7p per min. Today my call would have cost me £3/50. Even worse is that I am led to believe that GRO collect a "kick Back" on the call and the time they take to answer must be netting GRO a few grand. Colin

Hi Doug

Thanks for your efforts

Not very familiar with this thread perhaps you can tell me how to obtain a copy
of the death certificate.

Cheers Doug.

SDGW

Name: John James Diver
Rank: Private
Number: 2317
Regiment etc: Royal Irish Battalion
Battalion etc: 6th Battalion
Born: Templemore, Co Derry
Enlisted: Londonderry
Died Date: 21 Aug 1916
Died How: Killed in action
Theatre: France & Flanders

Death Certificate

Name Diver John J, Rank Pte, Number 2317, Regiment Irish, Year 1916 Volume I.77 Page 23

Doug

Hi Colin,

Thanks for the information. Not very satisfactory at all really. Given the revenue they are raking in you would think they could hire a programmer for a few weeks.

Doug

Hi Doug,

Go here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Select 'Order overseas certificates'

Take note of Colin's last post for tips

Doug

Hello!

My great uncle was KIA in January 1915.He was William George Dumbrell b1895,and in the Royal Sussex.It's little,but all I currently have.I'd be grateful if you can help.

SDGW has this:

Name: George William Dumbrell
Rank: Private
Number: S/2232
Regt etc: Royal Sussex Regiment
Battalion etc: 2nd Battalion
Born: Hove
Enlisted: Brighton
Died Date: 16 Feb 1915
Died How: Killed in action
Theatre of war: British Expeditionary Force

CWGC has:

Name: DUMBRELL, GEORGE WILLIAM
Initials: G W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Sussex Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 19
Date of Death: 16/02/1915
Service No: S/2233
Additional information: Son of Alfred Ellis Dumbrell and Jane Dumbrell, of 97, Shirley St., Hove, Brighton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 20 and 21.
Memorial: LE TOURET MEMORIAL

Death certificate details are:

Dumbrell George W. Rank Pte, Number SR/2233 Regiment Sussex, Year 1915 Volume I.73 Page 70

Doug

Brilliant,and faster than Concorde! Thanks very much!

Doug, thanks very much indeed for the info, very interesting!

Martin

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Hi Doug

Thanks again for all your help

Regards Doug.

Hi, Is your offer of last August still open? if so, do you have any record information on a L/Cpl Jack D'Hooghe. KIA at Ovillers 3/7/1916 with the 7th Suffolks
Thanks
Jonathan D'Hooghe

SDGW

Name: Jack D'Hooghe
Rank: L/Cpl
Number: 19053
Regt etc: Suffolk Regiment
Batt etc: 7th Battalion
Born: Nottingham
Enlisted: Nottingham
Died Date: 03 July 1916
Died How: Killed in action
Theatre: France & Flanders
Notes: Formerly 12485, Hussars of the line

Death Certificate

D'Hooghe Jack, Rank L/Cpl Number 19053, Regiment Suff, Year 1916, Volume I. 63, Page 97

Doug

Hi

Does your offer still stand if so could you look up my gt uncle :

Private Henry Francis Thundercliffe
203120 1st/5th Bn West Yorkshire Regt
KIA age 24 Tues 9 October 1917
son of Mrs Annie Thundercliffe Hull East Yorkshire

Many Thanks

Mick

SDGW has:

Name: Henry Francis Thundercliffe
Rank: Private
Number: 203120
Regt etc: Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment)
Batt etc: 1/5th Battalion
Born: Hull, Yorks
Enlisted: Hull
Died Date: 09 Oct 1917
Died How: Killed in action
Theatre: France & Flanders

Death Certificate

Thundercliffe Henry F, Rank Pte, Number 203120, Regiment W.Y.R., Year 1917, Volume I.38, Page 96

Doug

Thanks very much Doug your a true gent

Many Thanks
Mick

Thank you Procat for your help. As a novice to a lot of this, how do I get a copy of the death certificate?
Once again, many thanks

Jonathan D'Hooghe

Hi Jonathan,

See post 311 this thread.

Doug

thanks again
J

If the offer is still open?

Name: SMITH, JOSEPH
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Rifleman
Regiment/Service: Rifle Brigade
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 25/09/1915
Service No: S/7203
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 10.
Memorial: PLOEGSTEERT MEMORIAL

Thanks very much!

Death certificate details:

Smith Joseph, Rfn, S/7203, K.R.R.C., 1915, Volume I.79 Page 355

SDGW

Name: Joseph Smith
Rank: Rifleman
Number: s/7203
Regt: Rifle Brigade (The Prince Consort's Own)
Batt: 2nd Battalion
Born: Rowley, Regis, Staffs
Enlisted: Oldbury, Worcester
Residence: Nuncaton, Warwick
Died: 25 Sept 1915
How: KIA
Theatre: France & Flanders

Doug

Thanks Doug!

Hi
If possible details of Private William Alfred Mcguigan 8th Battalion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Service no 41672 died 16th August 1917.

regards ian

Hello Ian
Sorry you have had to wait for this response.
Details are:

Name: MCGUIGAN, William

Regiment, Corps etc.: Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers

Battalion etc.: 8th Battalion.

Last name: Mcguigan

First name(s): William

Initials: W

Birthplace:

Enlisted: Winchester

Residence: Southsea

Rank: PRIVATE

Number: 41672

Date died: 16 August 1917

How died: Killed in action

Theatre of war: France & Flanders

Supplementary Notes:

Regards
Ryegate

Hi
sorry, forgot the death certificate reference!
It is:
1917 I.74 261

Regards
Ryegate

Hi Ryegate,

Would really appreciate it if you could look up refs for 2 RFA soldiers for me, as I would like to apply for certs.

Gunner JOHN GWYNNE 50033, 132nd Bty. 1st Bde., RFA, Enlisted Newry, DOW aged 27, 9 May 1915, Boulogne Eastern Cemetery.
Serjeant WILLIAM GWYNNE 30284, 96th Bty., RFA, Enlisted Newry, KIA aged 29, 12 May 1915, Ypres Town Cemetery Extension.

Both from Ballymoney, Rostrevor, Parish of Kilbroney, Co Down, Ireland

Parents John Draper Gwynne and Frances Elizabeth Gwynne

Thanks, much appreciated,
Diane

If possible, would very much appreciate certificate details for the following brothers.

William Edward Tallowin - died 30.8.1917. Bombardier 20382, Royal Garrison Artillery
Samuel Thomas Tallowin - died 22.3.1918. Private 46275, 15th (The King's) Hussars

Thanks in anticipation.

Twiglet

Hi Diane,

Ryegate hasn't dropped in for a while (hope I am not stepping on his toes)

Gwynne John Gnr. 50033 R.F.A. 1915 Volume A.1 Page 64

Gwyne (note spelling) William Sgt. 30284 R.F.A. 1915 Volume A.1 Page 67

The entries on this page on the CD are very faint. It may be an idea to have the GRO verify them.

Doug

Tallowin Samuel T Pte. 46275 Ks. Huss. 1918 Volume C.2 Page 80
Tallowin William E Bdr. 20382 R.G.A. 1917 Volume A.6 Page 38

Doug

Hi Doug,
Not everyone has time to check in every day I suppose, but I appreciate your help Doug, yet again...

Thanks for the info., you're a gentleman.

Diane

could you check the following for me:-

Thomas Stead 15th btn Royal Irish Rifles KIA 22/11/1917.

Thank you

Hi Ollydot,

Death Certificate details

Stead Thomas, Sgt, 11748, R.I.Rifles, 1917, Volume I.75 Page 400

SDGW details

Name: Thomas Stead
Rank: Sergt
Number: 11748
Regt etc: Royal Irish Rifles
Batt etc: 15th Battalion
Born: Lanark
Enlisted: Belfast
Died Date: 22/11/17
Died How: Killed in action
Theatre: France & Flanders
Notes: D.C.M.

Doug

Hi Doug,
Could you give me the details for
John Ashley Stinton 831036 Bombadier. Royal Field Artillery, died of wounds Aug 9th 1918.
Much appreciated.
eskimo

Haven't encountered this before Eskimo.

Two references:

Stinton John A, Gnr, 831036, R.F.A., 1918 Volume A.4 Page 157.
The next line is blank except for the details Volume A.8 Page 109

Doug

Doug
Could you possibly check one for me:-
John William HESLOP, L/Cpl P/4987 Military Foot Police, died in Germany 16.2.1919 aged 30 years.
John

Ryegate / Doug

I probably have loads! but for now...

Three men. One died awy from the Regiment and the other two may be beyond your means.

Alfred Charles G Peirson (or Pierson),
Hussars attached Life Guards
Missing since 13 May 1915

Sjt Farrier ... Smith, 14th Hussars
Died 2 December 1922 in Silesia and buried in Oppeln (now Opole)

Corporal Farrier .... Thomas
Died on 6 May 1922 in Silesia and buried in Oppeln (now Opole)

Thanks for this

Hi John,

SDGW records:

Name: John William Heslop
Rank: A/L/CPL
Number: F/4987
Regt etc: Corps of Military Police
Batt etc: Foot Branch
Born: Bishop Auckland
Enlisted: Darlington
Residence: Bishop Auckland
Died Date: 16 Feb 19
Died How: Died
Theatre: France & Flanders
Notes: Formerly 8602, Coldstream Guards

Death Certificate details:

Heslop, John W, L/Cpl F/4987 Unit M.F.P. Year 1919 Volume ?.6 Page 463

Unfortunately the image on the CD is too faint to make out the full volume number.

Doug

SDGW:

Name: Alfred Charles Grey Peirson
Rank: L/CPL
Number: 438
Regt etc: Household Cavalry and Cavalry of the Line (incl. Yeomanry and Imperial Camel Corps)
Batt etc: 14th (King's) Hussars
Born: Hamstead
Enlisted: London
Residence: Whitchurch
Died Date: 13 May 15
Died How: Killed in action
Theatre: France & Flanders

Death Certificate details:

Pierson Alfred C, L/Cpl, 438, Ks. Huss. 1915 Volume C.2 Page 63

The overseas deaths CD only covers 1914 - 1921 and SDGW only covers 1914 - 1919 so the other two are not covered by my resources.

Doug

Thanks Doug - much appreciated

I presume can be ordered on line in usual way?

Hi Patrick,

Almost - see post 307 in this thread http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...st&p=846076

Doug

Doug
Thanks for information on Heslop.
John

Hi Doug,
Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
eskimo.

Hi Doug,

Could you lookup Pte John BEETHAM (Born 1891 Ambleside, Westmorland), 27920 Border Regt, killed 27 January 1917, near Le Transloy, but listed on Thiepval Memorial as no known grave. I note you are also a member of Ancestry, could you also look him up on there, as I see they have some WW1 records?

Thanks for your help.

Bob

Name: BEETHAM, John
Regiment, Corps etc.: Border Regiment

Battalion etc.: 1st Battalion.

Last name: Beetham

First name(s): John

Initials: J

Birthplace: Ambleside, West'd.

Enlisted: Ambleside

Residence:

Rank: PRIVATE

Number: 27920

Date died: 27 January 1917

How died: Killed in action

Theatre of war: France & Flanders

Supplementary Notes:

death cert ref: Could be a G. so G.1 275
regards
Ryegate