CWGC added the following 'new' WW1 casualties to its Debt of Honour database today – Friday 31st August.
Able Seaman Lawrence Albert BIRD
London.Z/4350 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died 13.03.18
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Trimmer George William BOYCE
TS/1043 Royal Naval Reserve
Died 14.03.19 Age 30
Buried: Boston Cemetery, Lincolnshire, UK
L/Seaman William Henry BRIGHT
PO/280045 Royal Navy
Died 09.03.21
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Seaman Daniel CAHALANE
5310A Royal Naval Reserve
Died 02.05.19
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Stoker James FOX
T/2484 Royal Naval Reserve
Died 01.02.18
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Able Seaman Charles James GODFREY
Bristol.Z/474 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died 05.04.19 Age 20
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Able Seaman John HARRISON
R/5310 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died 03.01.20 Age 28
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Seaman Thomas MANNION
3272A Royal Naval Reserve
Died 06.07.20
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Seaman Michael McCARTHY
4322A Royal Naval Reserve
Died 07.02.18
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Seaman Stephen MOLONEY
4558B Royal Naval Reserve
Died 23.03.19
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
A/Ldg Stoker George THOMPSON
K/11573 Royal Navy
Died 06.05.20
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
NOT FORGOTTEN
Eight of the above were put forward on behalf of member, John Morcombe. Godfrey and Harrison were put forward by member, horatio2. All were post-discharge cases and took two or three years for the MoD/RN to determine.
I don’t know who discovered Boyce.
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Good news all round.
Are Godfrey & Harrison the two cases submitted by H2 that were originally rejected?
John
Are Godfrey & Harrison the two cases submitted by H2 that were originally rejected?
John
No. They are 'first timers'.
Able Seaman Charles James GODFREY
Bristol.Z/474 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died 05.04.19 Age 20
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Godfrey was invalided home the from BEF from Nelson Battalion RND with skull fractures caused by shrapnel. He was invalided out in October 1918 and died six months later at home in Swansea.
Able Seaman John HARRISON
R/5310 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died 03.01.20 Age 28
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
After service with Nelson Battalion RND in France, Harrison was invalided out in June 1918 with pulmonary TB attributable to service. He died of TB at home in Leeds in January 1920.
Place of burial for these men is not known.
Neither had been rejected previously but their names were submitted in February 2004 - Tempus Fugit.
Bristol.Z/474 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died 05.04.19 Age 20
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Godfrey was invalided home the from BEF from Nelson Battalion RND with skull fractures caused by shrapnel. He was invalided out in October 1918 and died six months later at home in Swansea.
Able Seaman John HARRISON
R/5310 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died 03.01.20 Age 28
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
After service with Nelson Battalion RND in France, Harrison was invalided out in June 1918 with pulmonary TB attributable to service. He died of TB at home in Leeds in January 1920.
Place of burial for these men is not known.
Neither had been rejected previously but their names were submitted in February 2004 - Tempus Fugit.
Good to hear that these men will now be commemorated, and congratulations to the Pals who advocated their cases. It's a pity their burial places evidently could not be traced, but if they were found in the future, they would presumably then be marked with a CWGC headstone and the man's name be removed from the Brookwood Memorial.
If the graves are ever located, their place of commemoration would be moved to the grave site. One from the Memorial was so moved only a couple of weeks ago.
Whether they would get a CWGC stone would depend on whether there was a private memorial in place or not.
Note that this is the Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial and not the Brookwood Memorial (a separate WW2 memorial).
Whether they would get a CWGC stone would depend on whether there was a private memorial in place or not.
Note that this is the Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial and not the Brookwood Memorial (a separate WW2 memorial).
London Z/4350 Able Seaman Lawrence Albert Bird Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve Nelson Bn. 13/03/1918
Died after Discharge (Invalided) in St. Bartholomews Hospital from (1) Chronic Pulmonary TB 2 years (2) Pyopneumothorax.
Enlisted 24/11/15 ; Draft for BEF 25/7/16, joined Nelson Bn. 28/8/16-14/3/17 to Field Ambulance, Invalided to UK 23/3/17 Pulmonary Tuberculosis ; Discharged Invalided at RN Hospital Chatham 20/6/17 "attributable".
Po/280045(RFR/Ch/B/4652) Acting Leading Seaman (Stoker 1st Class) William Henry Bright Royal Navy Hood Bn. 09/03/1921
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at Home address: 31 Farncombe St., Jamaica Rd., Bermondsey, London SE, from Exhaustion following complete paralysis of lower half of body due to gunshot wound of Spinal Cord in Gallipoli 1915.
Enlisted 27/7/1895 ; Enrolled Chatham Division RFR 3/8/1907 ; Hood Bn. D/167 17/9/14-24/6/15 admitted to 21st General Hospital Alexandria, SW Spine & both legs paralysed, Invalided to UK 15/8/15 ; Discharged Invalided at RN Hospital Chatham 31/3/16 for BW Spine in action, to "Star & Garter" Richmond.
A/5310 Seaman Daniel Cahalane Royal Naval Reserve Anson Bn. 02/05/1919
Died after Discharge (Invalided) in St. Patrick's Hospital, Cork, Ireland, from Pulmonary Tuberculosis (2 years 2 months since admission to Hospital).
Enrolled 8/12/1913 ; Anson Bn. D/48 19/9/14-1/11/14 ; Discharged Medically Unfit at RN Hospital Plymouth 7/6/16 Tubercle of Lungs (attributable to service). Silver War Badge No.671 issued.
T/2484 Stoker James Fox Royal Naval Reserve Anson Bn. 01/02/1918
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at Cornmarket, Wexford, from Pulmonary Tuberculosis (1 year).
Enrolled 6/11/1907 ; Anson Bn. 'A' Company 15/9/14-26/2/16 to UK Leave ; 29/4/16 transferred to Devonport ; Discharged Invalided at RN Hospital Plymouth (HMS "Vivid II") 21/3/17 for Pulmonary Tuberculosis (attributable to service). Silver War Badge No.9527 issued.
A/3272 Seaman Thomas Mannion Royal Naval Reserve Anson Bn. 06/07/1920
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at Home address: 10 St. John's Terrace, Galway, from Phthisis.
Enrolled 30/1/1911 ; Anson Bn. A/143 19/9/14-27/10/14 to HMS "Vivid" ; HMS "Duke of Cornwall" 17/11/14-21/2/17 Discharged Invalided at RN Hospital Plymouth for "Tuberculosis Lungs & Dysentery" (Attributable to Service) 100% Disability.
A/4322 Seaman Michael McCarthy Royal Naval Reserve Anson Bn. 07/02/1918
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at Ballyskibole, Youghal, Killeagh, Cork, from Phthisis.
Enrolled 1/6/1912 ; Anson Bn. D/20 19/9/14-19/11/14 ; Discharged Medically Unfit at RN Hospital Chatham 27/8/15 for Tuberculosis of Lungs. Silver War Badge No.2174 issued.
B/4558 Seaman Stephen Moloney Royal Naval Reserve Anson Bn. 23/03/1919
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at Ballyhit, Broadway, Co.Wexford, from Phthisis (2 years).
Enrolled 1/4/1907 (formerly served in RNR as X/9243, 4 years 3 months & A/684, 5 years 1 month) ; Anson Bn. 15/9/14 (at Antwerp 1914) ; MEF 1/3/15-21/3/16 Discharged to RND Base Mudros for Sea-service, to UK 27/3/16 ; To RN Barracks Devonport 17/4/16 ; HMS "Actaeon" for "P16" 7/6/16-19/10/16 Wounds the result of an accidental explosion in P16 of the "sweeping charge" onboard (1) Numerous abrasions all over body. (2) Severe injury to left little toe (3) 4 large puncture wounds outer side of left calf (4) A lacerated wound of right heel, to Naval Sick Qrs. Sheerness ; HMS "President III" (Defensively Armed Merchant Ships) 26/8/17-14/1/19 Discharged Invalided at RN Hospital Plymouth for "Tuberculosis of Lungs" attributable of service. Issued Silver War Badge No.RN33686.
True name Maloney
Po/K/11573 Acting Leading Seaman (Stoker 1st Class) George Thompson Royal Navy Drake Bn. 06/05/1920
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at 2 Lord St., Lincoln, from Phthisis, Exhaustion.
Enlisted 9/6/1911 ; Drake Bn. C/471 17/9/14-26/7/15 discharged to sea-service ; Discharged Invalided (Pulmonary Tuberculosis) 16/11/1917.
Many thanks to Terry.
Died after Discharge (Invalided) in St. Bartholomews Hospital from (1) Chronic Pulmonary TB 2 years (2) Pyopneumothorax.
Enlisted 24/11/15 ; Draft for BEF 25/7/16, joined Nelson Bn. 28/8/16-14/3/17 to Field Ambulance, Invalided to UK 23/3/17 Pulmonary Tuberculosis ; Discharged Invalided at RN Hospital Chatham 20/6/17 "attributable".
Po/280045(RFR/Ch/B/4652) Acting Leading Seaman (Stoker 1st Class) William Henry Bright Royal Navy Hood Bn. 09/03/1921
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at Home address: 31 Farncombe St., Jamaica Rd., Bermondsey, London SE, from Exhaustion following complete paralysis of lower half of body due to gunshot wound of Spinal Cord in Gallipoli 1915.
Enlisted 27/7/1895 ; Enrolled Chatham Division RFR 3/8/1907 ; Hood Bn. D/167 17/9/14-24/6/15 admitted to 21st General Hospital Alexandria, SW Spine & both legs paralysed, Invalided to UK 15/8/15 ; Discharged Invalided at RN Hospital Chatham 31/3/16 for BW Spine in action, to "Star & Garter" Richmond.
A/5310 Seaman Daniel Cahalane Royal Naval Reserve Anson Bn. 02/05/1919
Died after Discharge (Invalided) in St. Patrick's Hospital, Cork, Ireland, from Pulmonary Tuberculosis (2 years 2 months since admission to Hospital).
Enrolled 8/12/1913 ; Anson Bn. D/48 19/9/14-1/11/14 ; Discharged Medically Unfit at RN Hospital Plymouth 7/6/16 Tubercle of Lungs (attributable to service). Silver War Badge No.671 issued.
T/2484 Stoker James Fox Royal Naval Reserve Anson Bn. 01/02/1918
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at Cornmarket, Wexford, from Pulmonary Tuberculosis (1 year).
Enrolled 6/11/1907 ; Anson Bn. 'A' Company 15/9/14-26/2/16 to UK Leave ; 29/4/16 transferred to Devonport ; Discharged Invalided at RN Hospital Plymouth (HMS "Vivid II") 21/3/17 for Pulmonary Tuberculosis (attributable to service). Silver War Badge No.9527 issued.
A/3272 Seaman Thomas Mannion Royal Naval Reserve Anson Bn. 06/07/1920
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at Home address: 10 St. John's Terrace, Galway, from Phthisis.
Enrolled 30/1/1911 ; Anson Bn. A/143 19/9/14-27/10/14 to HMS "Vivid" ; HMS "Duke of Cornwall" 17/11/14-21/2/17 Discharged Invalided at RN Hospital Plymouth for "Tuberculosis Lungs & Dysentery" (Attributable to Service) 100% Disability.
A/4322 Seaman Michael McCarthy Royal Naval Reserve Anson Bn. 07/02/1918
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at Ballyskibole, Youghal, Killeagh, Cork, from Phthisis.
Enrolled 1/6/1912 ; Anson Bn. D/20 19/9/14-19/11/14 ; Discharged Medically Unfit at RN Hospital Chatham 27/8/15 for Tuberculosis of Lungs. Silver War Badge No.2174 issued.
B/4558 Seaman Stephen Moloney Royal Naval Reserve Anson Bn. 23/03/1919
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at Ballyhit, Broadway, Co.Wexford, from Phthisis (2 years).
Enrolled 1/4/1907 (formerly served in RNR as X/9243, 4 years 3 months & A/684, 5 years 1 month) ; Anson Bn. 15/9/14 (at Antwerp 1914) ; MEF 1/3/15-21/3/16 Discharged to RND Base Mudros for Sea-service, to UK 27/3/16 ; To RN Barracks Devonport 17/4/16 ; HMS "Actaeon" for "P16" 7/6/16-19/10/16 Wounds the result of an accidental explosion in P16 of the "sweeping charge" onboard (1) Numerous abrasions all over body. (2) Severe injury to left little toe (3) 4 large puncture wounds outer side of left calf (4) A lacerated wound of right heel, to Naval Sick Qrs. Sheerness ; HMS "President III" (Defensively Armed Merchant Ships) 26/8/17-14/1/19 Discharged Invalided at RN Hospital Plymouth for "Tuberculosis of Lungs" attributable of service. Issued Silver War Badge No.RN33686.
True name Maloney
Po/K/11573 Acting Leading Seaman (Stoker 1st Class) George Thompson Royal Navy Drake Bn. 06/05/1920
Died after Discharge (Invalided) at 2 Lord St., Lincoln, from Phthisis, Exhaustion.
Enlisted 9/6/1911 ; Drake Bn. C/471 17/9/14-26/7/15 discharged to sea-service ; Discharged Invalided (Pulmonary Tuberculosis) 16/11/1917.
Many thanks to Terry.
Raising a glass to all those lads now back in the fold. Congrats to those Pals whose efforts made it possible
Able Seaman Charles James GODFREY
Bristol.Z/474 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died 05.04.19 Age 20
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Grave found
DANYGRAIG CEMETERY GRAVE NO: 584 Section T
Bristol.Z/474 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died 05.04.19 Age 20
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Grave found
DANYGRAIG CEMETERY GRAVE NO: 584 Section T
Good news, Chris, as with other recent IFTCs whose graves have now been found. When men are accepted, but their graves cannot be located, I wonder if there's a case for not adding their names permanently to the memorial at Brookwood for a period of time, to allow researchers to continue looking. Alternatively, rather than physically removing names from Brookwood when graves are located, perhaps a symbol could be added after the name to indicate that the man's grave has since been found.
Mick
As I understand things, when CWGC accepts the "found grave", it examines the burial site to see if a headstone is required or if it's a family grave that they just take over maintenance of. There's obviously a manufacturing delay if a headstone is needed. At some point in this process, the Commission amends it's online datatbase entry for the man to reflect the burial. At some much later point still, I believe (but am not certain) the man's name is removed from Brookwood. In any event, there could be a considerable delay as removal wouldnt normally take place until the panel was ready for replacement.
John
As I understand things, when CWGC accepts the "found grave", it examines the burial site to see if a headstone is required or if it's a family grave that they just take over maintenance of. There's obviously a manufacturing delay if a headstone is needed. At some point in this process, the Commission amends it's online datatbase entry for the man to reflect the burial. At some much later point still, I believe (but am not certain) the man's name is removed from Brookwood. In any event, there could be a considerable delay as removal wouldnt normally take place until the panel was ready for replacement.
John
What a lovely long list! Superb work, my sincere respects to all those who made this possible.
Well done to all involved.
Regards,
Phil
Regards,
Phil
Name: BIRD, LAWRENCE ALBERT
Initials: L A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Able Seaman
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Age: 23
Date of Death: 13/03/1918
Service No: London Z/4350
Additional information: Son of Mr and Mrs Bird, of 5 George Street, Fenny Stratford, Bletchley,Bucks.
N.B.: Recent research has shown that Able Seaman Bird is buried here. The Commission is in the process of producing a headstone to mark his grave.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: OC 188A
Cemetery: BLETCHLEY CEMETERY
Did anyone know that his grave had been discovered?
Its not one of mine
Chris
Initials: L A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Able Seaman
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Age: 23
Date of Death: 13/03/1918
Service No: London Z/4350
Additional information: Son of Mr and Mrs Bird, of 5 George Street, Fenny Stratford, Bletchley,Bucks.
N.B.: Recent research has shown that Able Seaman Bird is buried here. The Commission is in the process of producing a headstone to mark his grave.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: OC 188A
Cemetery: BLETCHLEY CEMETERY
Did anyone know that his grave had been discovered?
Its not one of mine
Chris
QUOTE (chrisharley9 @ Sep 11 2009, 07:47 PM) 
Name: BIRD, LAWRENCE ALBERT
Initials: L A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Able Seaman
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Age: 23
Date of Death: 13/03/1918
Service No: London Z/4350
Additional information: Son of Mr and Mrs Bird, of 5 George Street, Fenny Stratford, Bletchley,Bucks.
N.B.: Recent research has shown that Able Seaman Bird is buried here. The Commission is in the process of producing a headstone to mark his grave.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: OC 188A
Cemetery: BLETCHLEY CEMETERY
Did anyone know that his grave had been discovered?
Its not one of mine
Chris
Initials: L A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Able Seaman
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Age: 23
Date of Death: 13/03/1918
Service No: London Z/4350
Additional information: Son of Mr and Mrs Bird, of 5 George Street, Fenny Stratford, Bletchley,Bucks.
N.B.: Recent research has shown that Able Seaman Bird is buried here. The Commission is in the process of producing a headstone to mark his grave.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: OC 188A
Cemetery: BLETCHLEY CEMETERY
Did anyone know that his grave had been discovered?
Its not one of mine
Chris
Can't help you with who found his grave but I find this case intriging as he's buried just down the road from me & I know George street in Fenny well. I'll have a pop into the cemetery next time I'm passing to see if he has a grave stone.
Just as a matter of interest Lawrence Bird doesn't appear on any of the local war memorials.
Here's a previous thread on this chap:
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...showtopic=84914
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...showtopic=84914
QUOTE (Martin Elliget @ Sep 14 2009, 01:23 AM)
Here's a previous thread on this chap:
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...showtopic=84914
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...showtopic=84914
Well given Terry's final comment on the thread, I'm pretty sure Lawrence must have a grave marker as no new CWGC headstones have been errected in the cemetery in the last couple of years. (Unless of course it takes longer than two years to process)
Thanks everyone for their comments
Chris
Chris
Able Seaman John HARRISON
R/5310 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died 03.01.20 Age 28
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Grave found
Leeds Holbeck Cemetery Grave 12333
R/5310 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died 03.01.20 Age 28
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
Grave found
Leeds Holbeck Cemetery Grave 12333
A/Ldg Stoker George THOMPSON
K/11573 Royal Navy
Died 06.05.20
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
St Swithins Cemetery Lincoln in Plot O 845
K/11573 Royal Navy
Died 06.05.20
Commemoration: Brookwood (United Kingdom 1914-1918) Memorial, Surrey, UK
St Swithins Cemetery Lincoln in Plot O 845
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