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Martin Feledziak

Argonne - 5th October 1918

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CROONAERT

...the westernmost Bagatelle trenches when the position was in the French lines.... trench sketch from January 1915 (French trenches in red, German in blue)...

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egbert

A 1915 image from all the officers and NCOs of 2./PiBtl 29 in the Argonnes. No date with the picture. If taken before 22.4. , Johan is depicted here:

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Martin Feledziak

Wow we are on to page 4..

I keep missing these things as I am still looking at maps on page three,

Is the word Lager relevant or does it just mean Camp or similar

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Thanks for the Trench maps

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Martin Feledziak

Egbert

can you tell me the possible make up of the men on that picture.

I can see 13 men and I would love for one of them to be Johann,

So who is the lead Officer

and are there 2 below him and then

would there be 9 Sergeant types.

and then how many Privates would make up the 2 Company ?

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egbert

Egbert

can you tell me the possible make up of the men on that picture.

I can see 13 men and I would love for one of them to be Johann,

So who is the lead Officer

and are there 2 below him and then

would there be 9 Sergeant types.

and then how many Privates would make up the 2 Company ?

Sorry, I have not the slightest idea.

Lager is the German word for Engl: camp

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egbert

Bagatelle in today's IGN map. You can even see some trenches depicted in today's map:

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egbert

"Bagatelle" at the very Northern position of this map:

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CROONAERT

"Bagatelle" at the very Northern position of this map:

Bagatelle isn't actually shown on that map, Egbert, just part of the road that runs to it (well, near it actually - even the 'route de Bagatelle' only skirts the southern area of it) - all the way from Servon... (Tranchee de Upsal, for example which is depicted at the far north of the map was actually behind the French 3rd line in April 1915). The Bagatelle positions were something like 200m to the north of that map.

Dave

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CROONAERT

Bagatelle in today's IGN map. You can even see some trenches depicted in today's map:

Are posts 73 and 74 invisible now? :whistle::P

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Martin Feledziak

I am sure that we have now sorted all of the fantastic information about my Great Uncle Johann Feledziak of 2 Komp Pioneers 29.

I am confident that I can go next year and place a plaque on his final resting place at the Cemitre Allmand Servon Melzicot...and know who he was and where he came from.

and the horrors of fighting in underground tunnels, in hand to hand or even revolver fighting in a dark underground 3D maze of absolute misery.

The most amazing thing is that someone has made a metal cross and placed it in the ground and only by luck and the good work of you GWF members would anyone know who that person was.

So this is big thank you..

I still have to work out who

Johann Feledziak

Killed 18.07.1917

4./Fus.R.37. Is ?

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Martin Feledziak

I think this is the time map

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I think this is about right from Google.

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Martin Feledziak

Old Script

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Martin Feledziak

Having viewed all the pages of the Battalion fallen I found the entry for Oswald Gorn Killed on the same day as Johann

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They both appear on the casualty reports for 3 May 1915

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Oswald was from Bieganin ( Poland ) just 20 Km from Johann's roots ( I bet they were close friends too )

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Martin Feledziak

So I have seen that the font appears in Microsoft Word and that

Capital letters are sometimes a problem to understand and the letter s appears as an F and the i and j are the same IJ

So I have seen that the font appears in Microsoft Word and that

Capital letters are sometimes a problem to understand and the letter s appears as an F and the i and j are the same IJ

This text is Alte – Schwabacher

This text is Alte – Schwabacher

Martin Feledziak

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egbert

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Martin Feledziak

Hello Egbert,

This is just me trying to understand how the letters in the old German script alphabet work. How they appear when typed.

It is very difficult even in a different language as well as a difficult typeface or font.

But I think I am begging to understand much more than I did a few days ago.

Martin

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Martin Feledziak

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This is what I was trying to display but the forum returned my text to the original font. The above is the image screenshot

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ph0ebus

Acha!

If you think the printed German is hard, wait till you get to the handwritten stuff!

-Daniel

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Martin Feledziak

Daniel -

I would have no chance trying to decipher hand written German - I do struggle with printed text.

I have now found a good match for the font style in Microsoft Word. I had to download it first. The style is WalbaumFrakturEF.

The difficult letters are most of the Capitals and the way lower case S appears as two types and similar to an F. and I and J letters are the same IJ.

(The below in this paragraph typed in that font.)

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Martin.

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Martin Feledziak

Today I checked to see where Oswald Gorn is at rest ( Killed on the same day as Johann ).

Here is the result from Graves Search online.

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( The blue links on the image will not work as I have taken a Screen Grab )

Therefore I still have a mystery.

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Martin Feledziak

Today I examined an old photograph which shows my Grandfather Marcin Feledziak. I always thought it was a miners gathering, an occupation he carried out between the wars.

But with the Forum members helping me to establish the fact that he was wounded during the war.

Now It is obvious to me that it is a hospital picture with a number of recovering men and their nurses. Just one man in a uniform tunic with an Iron Cross ribbon.

What a surprise !!

Sadly the handwriting on the back is so very, very faded but I think it is addressed to his brother and I think I can read the same German town of "Riemke"

However

can any of you kind people work anything out from the post mark.?

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Martin Feledziak

Could that be NURNBURG 2BA 28 Jun 18

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ph0ebus

Can we see the whole card, front and back? There may be many more clues to be found.

I see S.B. (perhaps for Selbstbedienung?) Vereins lazarett (Hospital association?) and perhaps Gesellenhospitium...?

-Daniel

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roel22

Wow we are on to page 4..

I keep missing these things as I am still looking at maps on page three,

Is the word Lager relevant or does it just mean Camp or similar

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Looks like the Mudra Lager in the Argonnes.

Roel

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