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Ghazala

The Monocled Mutineer

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2 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

The names of those killed are public knowledge.

 

So it is. It was Wood.

 

Mike

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ID: 28   Posted (edited)

The National Archives have on view here the FGCM papers for the 'mutineer' who was shot (I don't mean the monocled one) 626 Cpl Jesse Robert Short. Has there been a significant release of papers this year after 100 years?

Charlie

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10 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

Has there been a significant release of papers this year after 100 years?

Charlie

 

Not that I know of. There is an old thread that confirms William Wood. I can provide link if you like?

 

Mike

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Reading the base commandant diary I link in my previous post , there is brief mention of visits by Asser but no mention of his meetings with the soldiers. Why not ?

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1 minute ago, Skipman said:

I can provide link if you like?

Mike I've just inserted extract from WarDiary that confirms it in my post 26

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1 minute ago, charlie962 said:

Mike I've just inserted extract from WarDiary that confirms it in my post 26

 

Ok thanks Charlie. See that now. Here's the old thread anyway. May be of interest to others. Click

 

Mike

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On 12/08/2017 at 15:03, JimTom said:

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Mike

 

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If anyone is interested the 1986 tv drama is on Forces TV tonight starting at 9:00 (21:00).

Sorry for late posting only just seen TV guide.

 

John

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Further to my post 15, I am now certain  that the Camp Adjutant was Owen Charles Guinness, posted Feb 1917, not VC Guinness per Commandant's WarDiary and repeated in some accounts of mutiny. He moved from 38 IBD, whose war diary confirms. I previously posted this about him in another thread.

 

              He is merry and bright and told me he does not miss his right hand at all now. He lost his hand at the battle of the Aisne. He got to within 50yds of an enemy machine gun and it opened on him. Luckily for him it was a bit wide of the mark but about a dozen bullets passed through his right wrist and nearly severed the hand. It had to be amputated. He has a knife which fits into the stump and he gets on well at dinner. He writes with his left hand.

 

That action was with the Worcestershire Regt

 

Charlie

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Can anyone please point me to source for Guinness's  "Notes on the Mutiny", referred to in a couple of articles as 'written in his dotage' ?

Thanks, Charlie

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ID: 37   Posted (edited)

Googling leads to a number of "copy & paste" references, including a couple that refer to Guiness recalling the events 50 years later, and to this, which suggests it may have been a personal communication. Sadly, I couldn't get the PDF to open!

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30 Sep 2013 - Likewise, while a number of mutinies did occur in Irish regiments during the .... On a more personal note, a number of individuals have provided me with ..... Dallas and D. Gill, "Mutiny at Etaples Base in 1917", Past and Present, 69, 1975. 3~etter from Major O. C. Guiness to the authors, cited in, ibid, p.lOl.

 

 

Now all that may be needed is for someone to source a copy of Dallas and Gill's book!

 

Moonraker

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On ‎14‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 14:25, Moonraker said:

Now all that may be needed is for someone to source a copy of Dallas and Gill's book!

 

    There are multiple copies of the Gill/Dallas book available on Tinternet- the cheapest listing currently on ABE  is for a paperback from World of Books in Goring  on Sea:

                           

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      The hardback is much rarer-the cheapest copy is £30 from World  War Books.

The article on Mutiny at Etaples Base by the same authors is in Past and Present ,no 69-  This is similarly available on ABE from PsychoBabel in Oxford at £2.96 plus postage. It can be purchased also brand new from the Past and Present Society, who have a policy of keeping their back issues in print.

     The article is also available on JSTOR- and,consequently, ought to be accessible (and downloadable) at a larger library near you.

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