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Terry_11

I have half the ID disc of the abovenamed.  Further information is that DOB/POB was 16 Jan 93, Ungstein PF.  Further information is:  A.2.65.  1 ERS Batl.  BAV.  18 J. R.  1.K.  The reverse has:  Bav.  18 J.R. 12. K. No. 99.  I would like to know more about Wilhelm.  There is a file on Ancestry with the same name, but I don't have a subscription for that portion of the forum.  If anyone can assist it would be most appreciated.  Regards, Terry

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trajan

Welome to GWF!

 

Hopefully, it is the bottom half!!!

 

A picture would help to determine which model you have - sounds like it might be a M.1916... As I understand it, he went from the 1 Ersatz Bataillon Kgl. Bayer. 18. Infanterie-Regiment Prinz Ludwig Ferdinand1 Kompagnie, to the regiment proper, 12 Kompagnie.

 

Trajan

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AOK4

Hello,

 

Could you post a picture? Is it a relic? Where did you get the disc?

 

Wilhelm Holler died near Messines on 7 June 1917 (artillery shell head). Burial place unknow.

(information from the Kriegsstammrollen)

 

Jan

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Terry_11

The disc was among the effects of an NZ Soldier.  Possibly he picked it up on the battlefield; the family doesn't know.  Happy to post a picture of both sides of the disc, but I may need some help.  Regards, Terry

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trajan

What help do you need on posting a photograph? Be nice to know also which regiment the NZ soldier was in to tie in in with the ID - i.e., if his regiment in the same area as the (presumably) dead Bavarian, or if no connection and he picked it up later. 

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Terry_11

If it is the Wilhelm Holler killed in Jun 17, my man was with the NZ Pioneer Battalion, prob B Coy, during the Messines offensive.  The coy was engaged in constructing and operating a train/tram system between a rail-head and the front line.  I have attached two jpegs of the disc.  Regards, Terry

Disc22042017.jpg

Disc22042017_0001.jpg

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Mark1959

The 2nd and 3rd NZ Rifle Brigades attacked on 7/6/17. I am researching a man in the 3rd killed that day.

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trajan
3 hours ago, Terry_11 said:

If it is the Wilhelm Holler killed in Jun 17, my man was with the NZ Pioneer Battalion, prob B Coy, during the Messines offensive.  The coy was engaged in constructing and operating a train/tram system between a rail-head and the front line.  I have attached two jpegs of the disc.  Regards, Terry

 

Photographs don't enlarge very well, but it looks to me to be a 1915/1916 type.

 

On the lower photograph you can see his date of birth  - (?) 18 01 1895, and on the bottom his initial unit - 1 Ersatz Bataillon Kgl. Bayer. 18. Infanterie-Regiment Prinz Ludwig Ferdinand1 Kompagnie. But I can't make out his home address...

 

The Verlustenlisten has one Wilhelm Holler in the Bavarian 18 I.R. -

 

Holler Wilhelm Ungstein, Pfalz Bayern 316 18. Infanterie-Regiment           1261 1916-11-14 16256

 - Unteroffizier, "Schwer verwundet" - badly wounded 14 11 1916

 

and two others only from Bavaria - 

 

Holler Wilhelm Ungstein, Pfalz Bayern 359             1636 1917-09-21 20762

- Unteroffizier, "Gefallen" - died 21 09 1917

 

Holler Wilhelm Deggendorf, Niederb. Bayern 277 7. Feldartillerie-Regiment           1038 1916-07-07 13267

 

So, the first and second probably your man - he certainly won't be the last one from 7 FAR! So death reported 21 09 1917.

 

Has no known grave as AOK4 post 3 above.

 

 

Edited by trajan
Clarify dod

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Terry_11

Trajan, The line under the DOB, 16 Jan 93, is "Ungstein PF".  Regards, Terry

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trajan

Well, that ticks the boxes then! Now, this being the lower half, collected before burial, I wonder how it came to be in the hands of a NZ soldier? We'll never know, sadly...

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AOK4

He was probably buried by them in some anonymous grave.

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Terry_11

Thanks to all for the above.  Mark, I presume you mean the 2nd and 3rd Bns, NZRB.  The personnel files are available through Archway here in NZ.  I also have a copy of the NZRB unit history.  If I can help get back to me.  Regards,  Terry

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Terry_11

One last question.  What does the line A. 2. 65 under the line Ungstein. PF. mean?  Regards, Terry

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trajan

Can't help there, I'm afraid - maybe Jan (AOK)?

 

There is, by the way, although I have never seen a copy, a book on these:

 

Meinlschmidt, Peter, Die Deutschen Erkennungsmarken des 1. Weltkriegs (1992); also in French - Les plaques d'identité allemandes de la 1ère guerre mondiale histoire évolutive de la mobilisation et de l'agrandissement de l'armée allemande en 1914-18 (1992); and in English - German WW1 Identity Tags/Disks (1993). Privately published so no ISBN...

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AOK4

It is a number from the time he was in the Ersatz-Unit (training unit in Germany) after he was wounded at the Somme in 1916.

 

Jan

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